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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 12, 2024 6:39:23 GMT -6
Sidepiece's apparently clear win isnt so clear anymore, sure, her media sycophants loved it, but the people who supposedly matter, voters, didnt. But after the debate, as many in the media swooned over their commanding new queen, a funny thing happened: Polls and focus groups emerged showing her winning on style points, but Trump winning on substance. A Reuters focus group, for example, tracked 10 undecided voters and asked how they plan to vote after watching the debate. Six of them said they had chosen to vote for Trump, while just three said Harris’ performance had swayed them. One remained undecided. Over at C-SPAN, an online poll also showed a decided Trump victory, with close to three-quarters of respondents saying he had won.
It is also widely agreed across the center to the right to have been the worst moderated, most biased presidential debate since they began in 1960. This will eventually be admitted by the left after the election is over. Harris performed well and Trump did not. Trump got angry early and by the time he had his best moment —his closing statement—the audience had no doubt shrunk. But while Trump lost the battle he may have won the war. The naked suppression of news, the oozing bias, the ignorance of or refusal to reference key facts—Snopes has debunked the Charlottesville chestnut for goodness sake and thousands of Jewish kids on campuses across the country are in fear of anti-Semitic mobs within the last few months and were not even mentioned!—made ABC and Disney the real loser Wednesday night. It is possible the polls might even edge towards Trump as the "great silent majority" digest the tidal wave of omnipresent criticism of the debate moderators outside of the Manhattan-Beltway media elites. We will see. and as I pointed out elsewhere, according to this tracker, the elusive "independent voter" was tracking in line with the Republican voter on the major issues.
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Post by moody on Sept 12, 2024 7:11:33 GMT -6
Sidepiece's apparently clear win isnt so clear anymore, sure, her media sycophants loved it, but the people who supposedly matter, voters, didnt. But after the debate, as many in the media swooned over their commanding new queen, a funny thing happened: Polls and focus groups emerged showing her winning on style points, but Trump winning on substance. A Reuters focus group, for example, tracked 10 undecided voters and asked how they plan to vote after watching the debate. Six of them said they had chosen to vote for Trump, while just three said Harris’ performance had swayed them. One remained undecided. Over at C-SPAN, an online poll also showed a decided Trump victory, with close to three-quarters of respondents saying he had won.
It is also widely agreed across the center to the right to have been the worst moderated, most biased presidential debate since they began in 1960. This will eventually be admitted by the left after the election is over. Harris performed well and Trump did not. Trump got angry early and by the time he had his best moment —his closing statement—the audience had no doubt shrunk. But while Trump lost the battle he may have won the war. The naked suppression of news, the oozing bias, the ignorance of or refusal to reference key facts—Snopes has debunked the Charlottesville chestnut for goodness sake and thousands of Jewish kids on campuses across the country are in fear of anti-Semitic mobs within the last few months and were not even mentioned!—made ABC and Disney the real loser Wednesday night. It is possible the polls might even edge towards Trump as the "great silent majority" digest the tidal wave of omnipresent criticism of the debate moderators outside of the Manhattan-Beltway media elites. We will see. and as I pointed out elsewhere, according to this tracker, the elusive "independent voter" was tracking in line with the Republican voter on the major issues. Interesting. I debated about this a lot with Melville. I thought it was a “tie” with neither side winning over too many for the other, or from independent. But, it looks like that premise may have been wrong. Trump was “fact-checked” regarding things with a lot of evidence to support it (election fraud, late term/after birth “abortions”, and Haitians taking over Columbus, OH). Meanwhile, Kamala told lies about “good people”, her flip-flooding stance of fracking, and many other things. Not even an interruption from the “moderators.”
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Post by Starbuck on Sept 12, 2024 7:16:30 GMT -6
Sidepiece's apparently clear win isnt so clear anymore, sure, her media sycophants loved it, but the people who supposedly matter, voters, didnt. But after the debate, as many in the media swooned over their commanding new queen, a funny thing happened: Polls and focus groups emerged showing her winning on style points, but Trump winning on substance. A Reuters focus group, for example, tracked 10 undecided voters and asked how they plan to vote after watching the debate. Six of them said they had chosen to vote for Trump, while just three said Harris’ performance had swayed them. One remained undecided. Over at C-SPAN, an online poll also showed a decided Trump victory, with close to three-quarters of respondents saying he had won.
It is also widely agreed across the center to the right to have been the worst moderated, most biased presidential debate since they began in 1960. This will eventually be admitted by the left after the election is over. Harris performed well and Trump did not. Trump got angry early and by the time he had his best moment —his closing statement—the audience had no doubt shrunk. But while Trump lost the battle he may have won the war. The naked suppression of news, the oozing bias, the ignorance of or refusal to reference key facts—Snopes has debunked the Charlottesville chestnut for goodness sake and thousands of Jewish kids on campuses across the country are in fear of anti-Semitic mobs within the last few months and were not even mentioned!—made ABC and Disney the real loser Wednesday night. It is possible the polls might even edge towards Trump as the "great silent majority" digest the tidal wave of omnipresent criticism of the debate moderators outside of the Manhattan-Beltway media elites. We will see. and as I pointed out elsewhere, according to this tracker, the elusive "independent voter" was tracking in line with the Republican voter on the major issues. This is the exact point I made in prior threads. Zero question Harris won the debate. But also zero doubt the overall Harris strategy has one deep flaw. Nothing she says will alter who she is - and Americans already know the real Harris.
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Post by gotscha on Sept 12, 2024 7:20:47 GMT -6
How any honest person can't be sickened by the complete failure of ABC to fact check a single one of Kamala's lies (Ex. Trump did NOT call the racists in Charlottesville 'fine people' and no cops were killed by rioters during Jan. 6th) but jumped at every chance to 'fact check' even Trump's well-known penchant for hyperbole. Rational people saw it for what it was: a 3-1 pile on. That's not to say that Trump covered himself with any glory. His performance was bad and he took the bait from Kamala almost every time. But at least he answered a few questions about policy - Kamala did not. www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
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Post by 3 Sport Town on Sept 12, 2024 7:28:44 GMT -6
Focus groups on CNN and Fox had Harris as the winner. But those are too small sample. What matters are scientific polls see below. Harry Enten CNN poll analyst stated that her winning by 26% points in CNN poll should give Harris a 2% bump or more in national and wing state polls based on past debate performances.
abcnews.go.com/538/early-polls-harris-won-presidential-debate/story?id=113590484
As of 1 p.m. Eastern, 538 has collected three national polls and one swing-state poll that were conducted since the debate.* In all of them, more people who watched the debate said Harris won the debate than said Trump did. On average, 57 percent of debate watchers nationally said Harris turned in the better performance; only 34 percent said Trump did.
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Post by gotmewrong on Sept 12, 2024 7:38:23 GMT -6
Waste of time. Harris lying and repeating the same Dem talking points over and over. Trump rambling and making dumb comments. The general public doesn't care about actual issues, apparently. They just want one of them to get got.
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Post by Aesa on Sept 12, 2024 7:44:22 GMT -6
Focus groups on CNN and Fox had Harris as the winner. But those are too small sample. What matters are scientific polls see below. Harry Enten CNN poll analyst stated that her winning by 26% points in CNN poll should give Harris a 2% bump or more in national and wing state polls based on past debate performances. abcnews.go.com/538/early-polls-harris-won-presidential-debate/story?id=113590484 As of 1 p.m. Eastern, 538 has collected three national polls and one swing-state poll that were conducted since the debate.* In all of them, more people who watched the debate said Harris won the debate than said Trump did. On average, 57 percent of debate watchers nationally said Harris turned in the better performance; only 34 percent said Trump did. And that is all it was, performance. No specifics, no explanation of alleged "plans", just pivoting and deflection with ZERO substance. An absolute shitfest by extremely biased left wing "moderators".
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Post by labears on Sept 12, 2024 7:47:07 GMT -6
Waste of time. Harris lying and repeating the same Dem talking points over and over. Trump rambling and making dumb comments. The general public doesn't care about actual issues, apparently. They just want one of them to get got. The general public is the reason why we got stuck with Harris and Trump. It seems like most elections people pick by party or the lesser of two evils.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 12, 2024 7:51:26 GMT -6
Waste of time. Harris lying and repeating the same Dem talking points over and over. Trump rambling and making dumb comments. The general public doesn't care about actual issues, apparently. They just want one of them to get got. The general public is the reason why we got stuck with Harris and Trump. It seems like most elections people pick by party or the lesser of two evils. Rep voters selected their nominee, the dem party apparatus selected theirs
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Post by moody on Sept 12, 2024 7:59:23 GMT -6
Waste of time. Harris lying and repeating the same Dem talking points over and over. Trump rambling and making dumb comments. The general public doesn't care about actual issues, apparently. They just want one of them to get got. The general public is the reason why we got stuck with Harris and Trump. It seems like most elections people pick by party or the lesser of two evils. ”Stuck with Trump” is a load of shit. The Republicans actually had a real primary. No Republican of any statute wants to take on Trump. He is being attacked legally, and with slander, constantly. Yet, he stands strong. We are lucky to have someone like Trump who cares enough about our country (and sure his legacy) that he is willing to be the spotlight of the deep state/left/media onslaught. Who else is willing to do what he has done? I don’t see these great Americans stepping up, so that is how “we are stuck” with Trump.
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Post by labears on Sept 12, 2024 8:10:11 GMT -6
The general public is the reason why we got stuck with Harris and Trump. It seems like most elections people pick by party or the lesser of two evils. Rep voters selected their nominee, the dem party apparatus selected theirs Yes what you said is true.
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Post by labears on Sept 12, 2024 8:17:34 GMT -6
The general public is the reason why we got stuck with Harris and Trump. It seems like most elections people pick by party or the lesser of two evils. ”Stuck with Trump” is a load of shit. The Republicans actually had a real primary. No Republican of any statute wants to take on Trump. He is being attacked legally, and with slander, constantly. Yet, he stands strong. We are lucky to have someone like Trump who cares enough about our country (and sure his legacy) that he is willing to be the spotlight of the deep state/left/media onslaught. Who else is willing to do what he has done? I don’t see these great Americans stepping up, so that is how “we are stuck” with Trump. Who else is willing to do what he has done? Back in 2016 I would say about a dozen.
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Post by moody on Sept 12, 2024 8:20:50 GMT -6
”Stuck with Trump” is a load of shit. The Republicans actually had a real primary. No Republican of any statute wants to take on Trump. He is being attacked legally, and with slander, constantly. Yet, he stands strong. We are lucky to have someone like Trump who cares enough about our country (and sure his legacy) that he is willing to be the spotlight of the deep state/left/media onslaught. Who else is willing to do what he has done? I don’t see these great Americans stepping up, so that is how “we are stuck” with Trump. Who else is willing to do what he has done? Back in 2016 I would say about a dozen. Until they all got their asses kicked. He sent Jeb Bush into virtual political retirement. Who has been this challenger the last two elections? Trump doesn’t decide who runs against him. No one wants to. It’s because he is a strong and popular candidate. This is why he has been nominated three times. It sounds cool to say “we got stuck with Trump” but it’s not accurate.
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Post by gotscha on Sept 12, 2024 8:32:24 GMT -6
Focus groups on CNN and Fox had Harris as the winner. But those are too small sample. What matters are scientific polls see below. Harry Enten CNN poll analyst stated that her winning by 26% points in CNN poll should give Harris a 2% bump or more in national and wing state polls based on past debate performances. abcnews.go.com/538/early-polls-harris-won-presidential-debate/story?id=113590484 As of 1 p.m. Eastern, 538 has collected three national polls and one swing-state poll that were conducted since the debate.* In all of them, more people who watched the debate said Harris won the debate than said Trump did. On average, 57 percent of debate watchers nationally said Harris turned in the better performance; only 34 percent said Trump did. Despite Kamala winning the debate (I don't doubt that she did), do we really know ANYTHING more about her after the debate than we did before? Did she answer any of the policy questions with anything approaching specificity? You cannot honestly think she did. She blew a lot of platitudes and quite a few lies (verifiable) at Trump and rattled him. That's why she 'won.'
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Post by JDCJJ on Sept 12, 2024 8:40:56 GMT -6
If Independents are going to sway this election, Kamala is in trouble judging by that graph.
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