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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 15, 2024 7:08:04 GMT -6
As of today, much speculation abounds that Trump will be sentenced to prison on September 18th by the Marxist judge in NY. Of all of the law fare and rigged trials against Trump, this is their best chance to jail Trump. Can you imagine the last 45 days of the campaign, and Trump is sitting in a reserved area at Rikers Island? I think this is their next play. Then when Trump wins they will try to disqualify him. Just like Jamie Raskin has signaled. Yeah, I saw said speculation. I wonder if they realize what they could be asking for?
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2024 7:11:30 GMT -6
As of today, much speculation abounds that Trump will be sentenced to prison on September 18th by the Marxist judge in NY. Of all of the law fare and rigged trials against Trump, this is their best chance to jail Trump. Can you imagine the last 45 days of the campaign, and Trump is sitting in a reserved area at Rikers Island? I think this is their next play. Then when Trump wins they will try to disqualify him. Just like Jamie Raskin has signaled. Yeah, I saw said speculation. I wonder if they realize what they could be asking for? I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison (or kill him first), and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a multi-pronged plan and in no scenario does it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election, or a peaceful transfer of power to Trump. They are not going to let this happen. I think that’s clear. They are really already saying this.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 15, 2024 7:17:49 GMT -6
Yeah, I saw said speculation. I wonder if they realize what they could be asking for? I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison, and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a plan and it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election. They know how the voters will react? That's what I'm talking about - most of us know how slimy the government is and there is no bottom to how low they will go but how will the voters react? Wonder if they took that into consideration in their plot to interfere in the election.
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2024 7:20:50 GMT -6
I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison, and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a plan and it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election. They know how the voters will react? That's what I'm talking about - most of us know how slimy the government is and there is no bottom to how low they will go but how will the voters react? Wonder if they took that into consideration in their plot to interfere in the election. I don’t mean to be crass but they are must less worried about how the voters react, when they count the votes and control the media. What I am saying is that even if they lose the election, they are not going to give up their power peacefully. Just like they lied and said about Trump in 2020, that he wouldn’t step down. They always accuse the other side of what they are doing, or plan to do, given the chance.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 15, 2024 7:24:36 GMT -6
They know how the voters will react? That's what I'm talking about - most of us know how slimy the government is and there is no bottom to how low they will go but how will the voters react? Wonder if they took that into consideration in their plot to interfere in the election. I don’t mean to be crass but they are must less worried about how the voters react, when they count the votes and control the media. What I am saying is that even if they lose the election, they are not going to give up their power peacefully. Just like they lied and said about Trump in 2020, that he wouldn’t step down. They always accuse the other side of what they are doing, or plan to do, given the chance. Okay, my apologies! Apparently I'm not getting my point across trying to be subtle. I wonder if they are ready for the voters to revolt?
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2024 7:32:25 GMT -6
I don’t mean to be crass but they are must less worried about how the voters react, when they count the votes and control the media. What I am saying is that even if they lose the election, they are not going to give up their power peacefully. Just like they lied and said about Trump in 2020, that he wouldn’t step down. They always accuse the other side of what they are doing, or plan to do, given the chance. Okay, my apologies! Apparently I'm not getting my point across trying to be subtle. I wonder if they are ready for the voters to revolt? Yes. I think they have pre written the civil war plots. They will be ready with non-stop lies and misinformation. I think civil war is built into their calculus of maintaining power.
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 7:57:20 GMT -6
Okay, my apologies! Apparently I'm not getting my point across trying to be subtle. I wonder if they are ready for the voters to revolt? Yes. I think they have pre written the civil war plots. They will be ready with non-stop lies and misinformation. I think civil war is built into their calculus of maintaining power. The only group with actual plans for civil war -- Project 2025 -- and the only group incessantly talking about (pining for?) civil war is MAGA. Well, maybe the Antifa types too but unlike MAGA they have been marginalized as they should be.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 15, 2024 8:02:13 GMT -6
]The only group with actual plans for civil war -- Project 2025 -- what part of P2025 calls for civil war?
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2024 8:16:09 GMT -6
Yes. I think they have pre written the civil war plots. They will be ready with non-stop lies and misinformation. I think civil war is built into their calculus of maintaining power. The only group with actual plans for civil war -- Project 2025 -- and the only group incessantly talking about (pining for?) civil war is MAGA. Well, maybe the Antifa types too but unlike MAGA they have been marginalized as they should be. thats garbage. You need to research what Raskin said last week. Go ahead and do that and get back to us.
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 8:16:26 GMT -6
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Post by gotscha on Aug 15, 2024 8:19:50 GMT -6
Yes. I think they have pre written the civil war plots. They will be ready with non-stop lies and misinformation. I think civil war is built into their calculus of maintaining power. The only group with actual plans for civil war -- Project 2025 -- and the only group incessantly talking about (pining for?) civil war is MAGA. Well, maybe the Antifa types too but unlike MAGA they have been marginalized as they should be. In the case where there is perceived widespread election fraud (not just from Trump supporters), the most likely scenario (and I don't really think it's likely) is that many states simply refuse cooperation with the federal government. Our federal system really only works when everyone cooperates, and without cooperation from the states, the federal government would all but grind to a halt. It's not like it has the manpower to step in and take over from the states - that in itself WOULD instigate widespread rebellion. My hope is that the states finally wake up and realize that Congress will NEVER do what is necessary to fix the system, because those fixes would require them to give up power. We desperately need term limits for Congresscritters and a balanced budget that will require a constitutional amendment - which Congress would never do. It's up to the states to call a constitutional convention and force these amendments AROUND Congress. That's my hope.
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 8:27:39 GMT -6
The only group with actual plans for civil war -- Project 2025 -- and the only group incessantly talking about (pining for?) civil war is MAGA. Well, maybe the Antifa types too but unlike MAGA they have been marginalized as they should be. In the case where there is perceived widespread election fraud (not just from Trump supporters), the most likely scenario (and I don't really think it's likely) is that many states simply refuse cooperation with the federal government. Our federal system really only works when everyone cooperates, and without cooperation from the states, the federal government would all but grind to a halt. It's not like it has the manpower to step in and take over from the states - that in itself WOULD instigate widespread rebellion. My hope is that the states finally wake up and realize that Congress will NEVER do what is necessary to fix the system, because those fixes would require them to give up power. We desperately need term limits for Congresscritters and a balanced budget that will require a constitutional amendment - which Congress would never do. It's up to the states to call a constitutional convention and force these amendments AROUND Congress. That's my hope. If there is "perceived widespread election fraud" it is the direct result of the Bullshit Trump has been spewing for 3+ years. It is part of his plan to set up a situation where his supporters believe the only way he can lose an election is if there is material election fraud. That's preposterous, of course, but his followers have bought it hook, line and sinker. They aren't a bright bunch. If you truly believe that -- which they do -- the only logical remedy if he loses is a violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government. He talks about Venezuela a lot. He's trying to set up a Venezuela here. He wants the country run by MAGA populists that cannot be overthrown and that are "legitimized" by phony elections that he controls. Hence, the call for federally controlled elections along with the Project 2025 BS designed to infiltrate the government at all levels with MAGA loyalists. That's pretty clear at this point.
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Post by gotscha on Aug 15, 2024 8:49:23 GMT -6
In the case where there is perceived widespread election fraud (not just from Trump supporters), the most likely scenario (and I don't really think it's likely) is that many states simply refuse cooperation with the federal government. Our federal system really only works when everyone cooperates, and without cooperation from the states, the federal government would all but grind to a halt. It's not like it has the manpower to step in and take over from the states - that in itself WOULD instigate widespread rebellion. My hope is that the states finally wake up and realize that Congress will NEVER do what is necessary to fix the system, because those fixes would require them to give up power. We desperately need term limits for Congresscritters and a balanced budget that will require a constitutional amendment - which Congress would never do. It's up to the states to call a constitutional convention and force these amendments AROUND Congress. That's my hope. If there is "perceived widespread election fraud" it is the direct result of the Bullshit Trump has been spewing for 3+ years. It is part of his plan to set up a situation where his supporters believe the only way he can lose an election is if there is material election fraud. That's preposterous, of course, but his followers have bought it hook, line and sinker. They aren't a bright bunch. If you truly believe that -- which they do -- the only logical remedy if he loses is a violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government. He talks about Venezuela a lot. He's trying to set up a Venezuela here. He wants the country run by MAGA populists that cannot be overthrown and that are "legitimized" by phony elections that he controls. Hence, the call for federally controlled elections along with the Project 2025 BS designed to infiltrate the government at all levels with MAGA loyalists. That's pretty clear at this point. I don't subscribe to the belief that Trump was robbed in 2020. If anything, I think most who voted for Biden were voting against Trump rather than for Biden. Trump is divisive, no doubt. But can you really say that things weren't much better during his tenure? COVID-19 was a once-in-a-lifetime event that affected ALL corners of the globe, but in hindsight was made worse by the overreaction and panicked shutdown of the economy - by mostly democratic governors and mayors. Trump unfortunately didn't know when to keep his mouth shut and still doesn't, but his policies are head-and-shoulders above what Kamala has proposed. Of course we have to compare to her policies from 2019-2020 because she refuses to tell anyone what they are now ... or what they will be next week/month. Now in the unlikely case where there is evidence of widespread fraud, I stand by my scenario where the states simply refuse to cooperate with the federal government. Either way, my ideas about constitutional amendments still stand. We need term limits and we need a balanced budget amendment.
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Post by arative on Aug 15, 2024 9:22:24 GMT -6
Maybe you should actually read project 2025. Trump has also come out and said he isn't affiliated with project 2025. Its actually the heritage foundation that put it together. Why do you think the media has portrayed it as being Trump's?
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Post by arative on Aug 15, 2024 9:23:36 GMT -6
Yeah, I saw said speculation. I wonder if they realize what they could be asking for? I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison (or kill him first), and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a multi-pronged plan and in no scenario does it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election, or a peaceful transfer of power to Trump. They are not going to let this happen. I think that’s clear. They are really already saying this. They already tried to kill Trump and failed. If they jail Trump, I think it will kick start some serious shit where red states leave the union. Might even become a hot war again.
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