Nano
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 9:30:42 GMT -6
I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison (or kill him first), and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a multi-pronged plan and in no scenario does it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election, or a peaceful transfer of power to Trump. They are not going to let this happen. I think that’s clear. They are really already saying this. They already tried to kill Trump and failed. If they jail Trump, I think it will kick start some serious shit where red states leave the union. Might even become a hot war again. Who is "they?" |
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Post by moody on Aug 15, 2024 9:30:49 GMT -6
I guarantee they have war gamed this out. I think they sentence Trump to prison (or kill him first), and IF he wins they will use his “convict status” to stage a coop to overturn the election, or they will declare martial law, and never let him take office. They have a multi-pronged plan and in no scenario does it doesn’t include a “free and fair” democratic election, or a peaceful transfer of power to Trump. They are not going to let this happen. I think that’s clear. They are really already saying this. They already tried to kill Trump and failed. If they jail Trump, I think it will kick start some serious shit where red states leave the union. Might even become a hot war again. you are right. They are not invincible but they hold a great deal of power and money. |
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 15, 2024 9:42:55 GMT -6
Read for yourself, pull out the page regarding the Civil War. For The Record, in a July 5, 2024, post on Truth Social, he wrote: "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them." static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf |
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 15, 2024 9:46:42 GMT -6
In the case where there is perceived widespread election fraud (not just from Trump supporters), the most likely scenario (and I don't really think it's likely) is that many states simply refuse cooperation with the federal government. Our federal system really only works when everyone cooperates, and without cooperation from the states, the federal government would all but grind to a halt. It's not like it has the manpower to step in and take over from the states - that in itself WOULD instigate widespread rebellion. My hope is that the states finally wake up and realize that Congress will NEVER do what is necessary to fix the system, because those fixes would require them to give up power. We desperately need term limits for Congresscritters and a balanced budget that will require a constitutional amendment - which Congress would never do. It's up to the states to call a constitutional convention and force these amendments AROUND Congress. That's my hope. If there is "perceived widespread election fraud" it is the direct result of the Bullshit Trump has been spewing for 3+ years. It is part of his plan to set up a situation where his supporters believe the only way he can lose an election is if there is material election fraud. That's preposterous, of course, but his followers have bought it hook, line and sinker. They aren't a bright bunch. If you truly believe that -- which they do -- the only logical remedy if he loses is a violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government. He talks about Venezuela a lot. He's trying to set up a Venezuela here. He wants the country run by MAGA populists that cannot be overthrown and that are "legitimized" by phony elections that he controls. Hence, the call for federally controlled elections along with the Project 2025 BS designed to infiltrate the government at all levels with MAGA loyalists. That's pretty clear at this point. there is no such thing as "perceived widespread election fraud". Widespread election fraud is not needed to throw an election, grow up. |
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Nano
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 9:49:02 GMT -6
If there is "perceived widespread election fraud" it is the direct result of the Bullshit Trump has been spewing for 3+ years. It is part of his plan to set up a situation where his supporters believe the only way he can lose an election is if there is material election fraud. That's preposterous, of course, but his followers have bought it hook, line and sinker. They aren't a bright bunch. If you truly believe that -- which they do -- the only logical remedy if he loses is a violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government. He talks about Venezuela a lot. He's trying to set up a Venezuela here. He wants the country run by MAGA populists that cannot be overthrown and that are "legitimized" by phony elections that he controls. Hence, the call for federally controlled elections along with the Project 2025 BS designed to infiltrate the government at all levels with MAGA loyalists. That's pretty clear at this point. there is no such thing as "perceived widespread election fraud". Widespread election fraud is not needed to throw an election, grow up. I guess that depends on how you define "widespread." But I would consider sneaking 10,000 fraudulent votes into a state's presidential election to be "widespread" and something pretty easy to identify after 3 or 4 audits. |
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 9:49:45 GMT -6
Read for yourself, pull out the page regarding the Civil War. For The Record, in a July 5, 2024, post on Truth Social, he wrote: "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them." static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdfYour quote is a demonstrable lie on the part of Trump. |
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Post by captbudman on Aug 15, 2024 10:04:59 GMT -6
Read for yourself, pull out the page regarding the Civil War. For The Record, in a July 5, 2024, post on Truth Social, he wrote: "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them." static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdfYour quote is a demonstrable lie on the part of Trump. How is it a "demonstrable lie on the part of Trump?" Project 2025 was launched by the Heritage Foundation. They've been doing similar project every four years laying out THEIR vision for the future, with Project 2025 not being different. President Trump and his campaign had no input into Project 2025, which has now been shutdown. Here's what Trump says he wants to do: - SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG
VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
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Post by 65 on Aug 15, 2024 10:45:43 GMT -6
Not one trump supporter will be impacted…
It’s likely some independent will go his way because they see how corrupt all of this is..
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Nano
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Post by Nano on Aug 15, 2024 11:16:28 GMT -6
Your quote is a demonstrable lie on the part of Trump. How is it a "demonstrable lie on the part of Trump?" Project 2025 was launched by the Heritage Foundation. They've been doing similar project every four years laying out THEIR vision for the future, with Project 2025 not being different. President Trump and his campaign had no input into Project 2025, which has now been shutdown. Here's what Trump says he wants to do: - SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG
VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
You can say with a straight face that Trump is unaware of Project 2025 and who leads it? And that he has no input into it? Bannon is running the thing behind the scenes and there literally are pictures of Trump getting chummy with the leader. BTW if one of the goals is to keep the USD as the reserve currency, perhaps we should stop using the USD as a sanctions weapon, something trump was very fond of doing. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 15, 2024 11:23:23 GMT -6
Maybe you should actually read project 2025. Trump has also come out and said he isn't affiliated with project 2025. Its actually the heritage foundation that put it together. Why do you think the media has portrayed it as being Trump's? Because the media lies their asses off? |
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Post by captbudman on Aug 15, 2024 12:52:27 GMT -6
How is it a "demonstrable lie on the part of Trump?" Project 2025 was launched by the Heritage Foundation. They've been doing similar project every four years laying out THEIR vision for the future, with Project 2025 not being different. President Trump and his campaign had no input into Project 2025, which has now been shutdown. Here's what Trump says he wants to do: - SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG
VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
You can say with a straight face that Trump is unaware of Project 2025 and who leads it? And that he has no input into it? Bannon is running the thing behind the scenes and there literally are pictures of Trump getting chummy with the leader. BTW if one of the goals is to keep the USD as the reserve currency, perhaps we should stop using the USD as a sanctions weapon, something trump was very fond of doing. Being aware, as in he may have read or heard that the Heritage Foundation was working on the project, is plausible. That doesn't mean that he or his campaign provided any input or suggestions to the effort. As far as Bannon, he's not part of the campaign and is presently a political prisoner of the Biden regime. Additionally, knowing the head of the Heritage Foundation doesn't mean he knows the intricacies over their projects. Regarding the USD being used for sanctions, it has been used that way for decades. The USA has used it against Cuba since Fidel declared Cuba a communist paradise. Using sanctions to cripple Iran's economy was a smart idea. What is dumb, however, is how sanctions have been used against Russia -- including efforts of Biden and NATO to seize Russian assets and given to Ukraine. The dumb mismanagement of Biden's proxy war, including pushing Russia into a partnership with China, is an act that will threaten keeping the dollar as a reserve currency. |
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Post by str8shooter on Aug 15, 2024 13:13:48 GMT -6
How is it a "demonstrable lie on the part of Trump?" Project 2025 was launched by the Heritage Foundation. They've been doing similar project every four years laying out THEIR vision for the future, with Project 2025 not being different. President Trump and his campaign had no input into Project 2025, which has now been shutdown. Here's what Trump says he wants to do: - SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,
INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A
GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG
VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD’S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO
CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER
IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR
CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS,
AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
You can say with a straight face that Trump is unaware of Project 2025 and who leads it? And that he has no input into it? Bannon is running the thing behind the scenes and there literally are pictures of Trump getting chummy with the leader. BTW if one of the goals is to keep the USD as the reserve currency, perhaps we should stop using the USD as a sanctions weapon, something trump was very fond of doing. Liberals like you continue to attempt to tie Trump into Project 2025 despite his repeated comments at rallies etc. where is disavowed the agenda of Project 2025. Liberals, such as you also repeatedly reference a video of Trump saying that he supports the notion of a Conservative group back in 2016 which was before the agenda and platform of Platform 2025 founded. |
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 15, 2024 14:00:55 GMT -6
there is no such thing as "perceived widespread election fraud". Widespread election fraud is not needed to throw an election, grow up. I guess that depends on how you define "widespread." But I would consider sneaking 10,000 fraudulent votes into a state's presidential election to be "widespread" and something pretty easy to identify after 3 or 4 audits. "widespread" would be 50 states and U.S. territories involvement. Which didn't happen. There were some shenanigans, specific targeted voting districts, where voting anomalies occurred. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3728626I was raised in a democrat family, my grandfather was a democrat captain in north St. Louis city. The shenanigans he pulled, along with his fellow democrats, were illegal, but I always assumed the republicans were doing the same. What I've learned, over the years, since I started voting Republicans, the democrats are more organize than the Republicans. I'm looking forward to this year election, to see if the Republicans learned anything from the democrats. |
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 15, 2024 14:04:44 GMT -6
Read for yourself, pull out the page regarding the Civil War. For The Record, in a July 5, 2024, post on Truth Social, he wrote: "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them." static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdfYour quote is a demonstrable lie on the part of Trump. First of all, were you able to find the page, in the Project 2025's pdf, regarding the Civil War? Second, be specific, which part of the quote is a lie? |
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Post by arative on Aug 15, 2024 15:29:23 GMT -6
there is no such thing as "perceived widespread election fraud". Widespread election fraud is not needed to throw an election, grow up. I guess that depends on how you define "widespread." But I would consider sneaking 10,000 fraudulent votes into a state's presidential election to be "widespread" and something pretty easy to identify after 3 or 4 audits. Actually it isn't, once a tainted ballot is in the system and is mixed in with legit ballots, its considered a legit ballot and will not be found in an audit.. Ask yourself why ballot envelopes were destroyed when it was against the law, then you might begin to understand the some of the issues with 2020. |
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