abuxb
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Post by abuxb on Jul 14, 2024 16:05:09 GMT -6
The Secret Service did a terrible job, The context of my statement had nothing to do with preventing the shooting. In the moment, nothing was publicly known about the location of the shooter or the failed actions to prevent it. My comment had everything to do with them creating a cocoon around President Trump to shelter him Not much of a cocoon around Trump when you have a short female agent stand in front of him. Trump is 6'3" tall, you don't shield him by putting a 5'5" woman as the shield. Anyway, voter's opinions can and will vary; but the House will seek facts, not opinions or watered down answers. |
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Post by longtimereader on Jul 14, 2024 17:00:38 GMT -6
The context of my statement had nothing to do with preventing the shooting. In the moment, nothing was publicly known about the location of the shooter or the failed actions to prevent it. My comment had everything to do with them creating a cocoon around President Trump to shelter him Not much of a cocoon around Trump when you have a short female agent stand in front of him. Trump is 6'3" tall, you don't shield him by putting a 5'5" woman as the shield. Anyway, voter's opinions can and will vary; but the House will seek facts, not opinions or watered down answers. I was telling my spouse the same thing about the short SS agent! She was protecting his chest and that was about it. |
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uncleb
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Post by uncleb on Jul 14, 2024 17:50:47 GMT -6
First off, I want to say that I am glad trump is ok. Reading some of today's news from some high level republicans though disturbed me. Instead of calling for calm and unity, MTG said “Democrats wanted this to happen” and have “wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen.” Mike Collins said "Joe Biden sent the orders". I expect leaders of this country to provide calm replies, but instead these types of people want to fan the flames. That is disgusting and I hope people on both sides of the aisle condemn those types of post. They are unnecessary and foolish.
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Post by captbudman on Jul 14, 2024 17:58:52 GMT -6
I wonder if we'll ever get the true story, but more details are coming out. Apparently a cop did climb the ladder to investigate (or perhaps confront) the soy boy shooter. However, instead of doing his job, when the shooter pointed his rifle at him, the cop fled back down the ladder. Also, the Secret Service's "Rules of Engagement" apparently prohibited the snipers from shooting the soy boy threat until after he fired at the President. WTF?
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Post by Billy John Davy on Jul 14, 2024 18:47:23 GMT -6
Epic failure by the secret service.
Heads should roll, but I doubt any will
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Post by cardiological on Jul 14, 2024 18:47:27 GMT -6
Do you honestly believe Donald Trump hasn’t been directly responsible for an elevation of the temperature of political rhetoric over the past eight years? For heaven’s sake, just read his ROT IN HELL! Christmas message. His “ HUMAN SCUM” Memorial Day tweet. His THUGS responsible for inflation, Afghanistan surrender, Green New Deal, etc. Mothers Day tweet, and hundreds of similar ones posted almost daily. Has the media gone overboard? You bet. Has it occurred across the spectrum? Absolutely. (Steve Bannon says Fauci and Christopher Wray should be decapitated and their heads put on pikes. Nice.) Personally, I think Biden, Democrats and the left leaning media overdo the “threat to democracy” narrative. But Trump did say he would be a dictator at least for one day, so that along with his obvious admiration for “strong man” leaders like Orban, and his post 2020 election resistance to surrendering power create an exploitable campaign issue. Finally, I’ll remind you as I did str8shooter, it was Trump who on Jan 6 spoke of the need to “save democracy” and prevent “the destruction of the country” by stopping Biden’s attempt to steal the election. Hopefully, last night’s horror and the terribly close call on Trump’s life will be sobering for both sides, an inflection point after which we can engage, debate and contest our differences and aspirations with more civility and maturity. We are not enemies. At least we shouldn’t be. Trump has a history of hitting back at people when attacked, something woefully lacking in most Republicans (most Republicans apologize for controversial comments and then quit their comments). He's managed to take out two political dynasties in America -- both the Bush Family and the Clinton Family. He's been fighting the Deep State since they used Hillary's bought and paid for fake Steele Dossier, to the impeachment because Lt. Col Vindman and the CIA didn't like his Ukraine policy (see the "Perfect Phone Call"), to the fake charges of insurrection (recall Biden said that January 6th protests and questioning the election were the "the gravest threat to our democracy since the Civil War") that led to impeachment AFTER he left office, and a Deep State attack that is trying to imprison him since he's decided to run for President again. As far as Bannon, while he speaks for himself, if you actually had seen his show when he said the "Pikes on Stakes" comment was clearly a rhetorical statement about purging the bureaucracy of corrupt bureaucrats, not the literal beheading of Fauci and Wray. Do you honestly believe that if Trump had decided not to run for President in 2024 that he'd still be prosecuted by the Biden regime, including the dispatching the DOJ's #3, Matt Colangelo, to New York to work first with the NY State AG and then Manhattan DA to "Get Trump." The White House General Counsel also worked with Atlanta DA Fat Fanis to get Trump, including meetings with her staff, in her effort to imprison Trump and other Republicans. Democrat Party lawfare continues around the nation against Trump associates, including in Arizona, Nevada, and other States. Questioning the election results isn't an insurrection. Democrats routinely did it during the certification process in both George W. Bush and Donald Trump's electoral college certification process. Finally, I 100% agree with your final statement ("Hopefully, last night’s horror and the terribly close call on Trump’s life will be sobering for both sides, an inflection point after which we can engage, debate and contest our differences and aspirations with more civility and maturity. We are not enemies. At least we shouldn’t be"). We are all Americans. We should feel free to share our differences, but there is no place for political violence in American politics.  We must be thinking of different Donald Trumps. The one I have in mind initiates attacks and smears and when there is pushback doubles down on the attacks. It is a persona he cultivated under the tutelage of Roy Cohn (you can add litigiousness, Trump having been involved in over 4000 lawsuits) and perfected as the self-anointed Birther-in-Chief who was still questioning Obama’s legitimacy even after the release of both the short and long form b/c. He continued the attacks against McCain and later against his Republican opponents for the 2016 nomination including mocking slurs aimed at Carly Fiorina and the wife of Ted Cruz and Cruz himself. It was simply Trump being Trump, not a response to victimization. Yes, no doubt Bannon’s repellent Fauci and Wray reference was metaphorical, just as was Kathy Griffin’s stupid severed head comedy stunt. Griffin, a comedian, was fired by CNN. Bannon, revered by the right, remains a close political confidant of Trump. And speaking of metaphors, linking Biden’s inartful “bullseye” comment - which he made on a phone call to donors - to the assassination attempt is absolutely ludicrous. But that’s the accusation many Republicans are peddling. Biden’s obvious intent was to put the focus of the campaign directly on Trump and not on hand-wringing about the Democratic nominee. It was not a suggestion Trump be shot. Does Trump have a right to be upset about the lawfare being waged against him? Yes, he does. As you may recall, I have opposed almost all of the lawsuits and prosecutions to which he has been subjected. But many of his outrageous remarks have nothing to do with the litigation, and many more predate it. Those are crude, toxic and inflammatory and completely unwarranted. |
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Post by arative on Jul 14, 2024 19:26:07 GMT -6
First off, I want to say that I am glad trump is ok. Reading some of today's news from some high level republicans though disturbed me. Instead of calling for calm and unity, MTG said “Democrats wanted this to happen” and have “wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen.” Mike Collins said "Joe Biden sent the orders". I expect leaders of this country to provide calm replies, but instead these types of people want to fan the flames. That is disgusting and I hope people on both sides of the aisle condemn those types of post. They are unnecessary and foolish. Mtg isn't wrong. Democrats have tried to remove Trump's SS detail. The head of the SS, a Biden appointee repeatedly denied requests for increased protection. The violent rhetoric of Democrats and liberal media caused a person to take a shot at Trump. I have to wonder if you take all Democrats to task for the violent rhetoric they have spewed for the past 9 years. Oh who am I kidding, of course you haven't. |
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Post by longtimereader on Jul 14, 2024 20:02:17 GMT -6
The left has been told time and time again don't go looking for a fight you just might find one. Now we have leftist calling for calm? You don't get to throw punches then bitch when you find a fight.
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Post by bedfordforrest on Jul 14, 2024 20:33:23 GMT -6
Erik Prince is a retired US Navy Seal officer and founder of Black Rock Security. Black Rock Security provided diplomatic security services to the State Department in "unstable" regions like Iraq after W's invasion. He raises an interesting question -- why did the Secret Service Sniper wait for the soy boy shooter to fire several shots (wounding President Trump, several others, and killing a retired Fire Chief) before the Sniper did his job, taking out the thug? Does the Secret Service have the same rules of engagement as the Biden Regime implemented in the Afghan withdrawal? Was he under orders to wait until the thug fired a shot before he could take him out? In the video below, you can clearly see the ( soon to be former) sniper was shocked with the shots went off, before he finally did his job. I am on the Erik Prince for VP bandwagon. He's about the best insurance policy for Trump to keep radical leftists from taking him out. There's no way in hell they want to make him president. Vance would also work in that role, but he's needed in the Senate. |
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Post by bedfordforrest on Jul 14, 2024 20:35:06 GMT -6
The context of my statement had nothing to do with preventing the shooting. In the moment, nothing was publicly known about the location of the shooter or the failed actions to prevent it. My comment had everything to do with them creating a cocoon around President Trump to shelter him Not much of a cocoon around Trump when you have a short female agent stand in front of him. Trump is 6'3" tall, you don't shield him by putting a 5'5" woman as the shield. Anyway, voter's opinions can and will vary; but the House will seek facts, not opinions or watered down answers. If they're going to insist on having women that are half a foot shorter than Trump on his protection detail, they need to help mitigate the difference by covering more area horizontally. They need to hire women with large breasts. |
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Post by stiffy1957 on Jul 14, 2024 21:37:18 GMT -6
Assuming this is a minor flesh wound, there is no stopping Trump's re-election now. He'll win at least 350 electoral votes. You are depending on a sympathy vote. He would have to be near death for anyoneto be that dumb to feel sorry enough for him. I will never be there. He is a felon. will be forever now. |
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Post by stiffy1957 on Jul 14, 2024 21:39:10 GMT -6
No violence is ok. But with trump's past he was lucky it didn' happen a long time ago. Wrong is wrong. he brought it on himself. right wingpolicy has gone too far. It was brought on the hatred of you, and millions of the mentally disabled fucks on the left. Your hatred made this possible. It so happeneds it was a Republican who shot him. Thomas Cooks( appropriate Republican name. And you were so quick to accuse us. Most Democratsbelieve in a peaceful election. Mst anti-gun. go do your false figuring smeplace else Einstein. |
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Post by str8shooter on Jul 14, 2024 21:58:01 GMT -6
It was brought on the hatred of you, and millions of the mentally disabled fucks on the left. Your hatred made this possible. It so happeneds it was a Republican who shot him. Thomas Cooks( appropriate Republican name. And you were so quick to accuse us. Most Democratsbelieve in a peaceful election. Mst anti-gun. go do your false figuring smeplace else Einstein. How do most people register for a political party? Their parents tell them what party to sign up for. You are one of the lowest information posters around. It has been shown that he was active in liberal causes. That has been stated here several times yet you continue to say he was a registered Republican. He never voted in any big election. He gave money to liberal causes. He associated with liberal causes. When posting, it is a bad look to be so ill informed. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Jul 15, 2024 6:35:58 GMT -6
I wonder if we'll ever get the true story, but more details are coming out. Apparently a cop did climb the ladder to investigate (or perhaps confront) the soy boy shooter. However, instead of doing his job, when the shooter pointed his rifle at him, the cop fled back down the ladder. Also, the Secret Service's "Rules of Engagement" apparently prohibited the snipers from shooting the soy boy threat until after he fired at the President. WTF? No, we will never get the whole story. Too much about this stinks and when the Secret Service is going to investigate themselves...? |
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Post by stargatebabe on Jul 15, 2024 6:38:40 GMT -6
Assuming this is a minor flesh wound, there is no stopping Trump's re-election now. He'll win at least 350 electoral votes. You are depending on a sympathy vote. He would have to be near death for anyoneto be that dumb to feel sorry enough for him. I will never be there. He is a felon. will be forever now. You've made that clear for the last 9 years. I doubt Trump gives a shit if he has your vote or not |
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