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Aug 17, 2024 18:29:28 GMT -6
Post by captbudman on Aug 17, 2024 18:29:28 GMT -6
If you genuinely cared about this issue, you would not be a Trump supporter. There were people in the primary who do care about it, and they didn't even get a sniff. Anyone with an understanding and support of the founding principles of this nation, and who is aware of the events of the past 7+ years, cannot vote for either Trump or Harris without completley betraying the things they claim to believe. Are you suggesting voting for Jill Stein, Cornel West, RFK Jr, or simply staying home in protest?
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Aug 17, 2024 18:30:33 GMT -6
Post by luvmywammies on Aug 17, 2024 18:30:33 GMT -6
What are the chances Trump is actually part of the deep state and is playing a role in all this? One thing that pisses me off about Trump is that he still doesn’t admit Covid was BS and the vax is deadly.
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Aug 17, 2024 20:19:22 GMT -6
Post by Starbuck on Aug 17, 2024 20:19:22 GMT -6
Anyone with an understanding and support of the founding principles of this nation, and who is aware of the events of the past 7+ years, cannot vote for either Trump or Harris without completley betraying the things they claim to believe. Are you suggesting voting for Jill Stein, Cornel West, RFK Jr, or simply staying home in protest? I am suggesting that citizens who say (correctly) that neither the DEMs nor the REPs are principled enough to stand on conviction and do what is right for the nation and permissible under the constitution, but then vote for them anyway, are in fact guilty of doing the precise thing of which they accuse the politicians. At this moment, I have not found a candidate worthy of my highly valuable vote. If anyone does indeed earn it by election day, it will not be either Trump or Harris. They are disqualified.
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Aug 17, 2024 20:27:12 GMT -6
Post by Starbuck on Aug 17, 2024 20:27:12 GMT -6
If you genuinely cared about this issue, you would not be a Trump supporter. There were people in the primary who do care about it, and they didn't even get a sniff. How does your solution of not voting for either make you a noble champion of ending our deficit spending? The problem isn't Trump, but the RINOs in Congress (especially the Senate) who love to squander our tax dollars almost as much as the Dems. Respectfully, this simply is not correct. It was Trump's executive branch who demanded trillions in unpaid for covid spending - the legislative branch simple rubber stamped it. Trump also flatly refused to have any conversation about means testing social security or raising the retirement age over time - even though some in Congress wanted that discussion. He also refused to have any conversation about ObamaCare reforms- which is another debt bomb - even though his campaign promise was exactly the opposite. Currently, he is promising "no tax on tips". And "no federal income tax on social security payments". Anyone claiming Trump has not been a huge part of the debt issue is, at a minimum, completely ignoring the facts.
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Aug 17, 2024 20:29:42 GMT -6
Post by arrass on Aug 17, 2024 20:29:42 GMT -6
What are the chances Trump is actually part of the deep state and is playing a role in all this? One thing that pisses me off about Trump is that he still doesn’t admit Covid was BS and the vax is deadly. And there it is. The old wammies we all know and love. Welcome back.
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Aug 17, 2024 21:02:10 GMT -6
Post by luvmywammies on Aug 17, 2024 21:02:10 GMT -6
What are the chances Trump is actually part of the deep state and is playing a role in all this? One thing that pisses me off about Trump is that he still doesn’t admit Covid was BS and the vax is deadly. And there it is. The old wammies we all know and love. Welcome back. Always speaking the truth. Some things never change
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Aug 18, 2024 7:20:04 GMT -6
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Post by Nano on Aug 18, 2024 7:20:04 GMT -6
If you genuinely cared about this issue, you would not be a Trump supporter. There were people in the primary who do care about it, and they didn't even get a sniff. Anyone with an understanding and support of the founding principles of this nation, and who is aware of the events of the past 7+ years, cannot vote for either Trump or Harris without completley betraying the things they claim to believe. 100%
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Aug 18, 2024 8:25:10 GMT -6
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Post by moody on Aug 18, 2024 8:25:10 GMT -6
Anyone with an understanding and support of the founding principles of this nation, and who is aware of the events of the past 7+ years, cannot vote for either Trump or Harris without completley betraying the things they claim to believe. 100% The issue is that someone has to be the President. Who do you cast your vote for us you make balancing the budget your issue? Is Ron Paul running?
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Aug 18, 2024 8:33:15 GMT -6
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Post by Nano on Aug 18, 2024 8:33:15 GMT -6
The people is someone has to be President. Who do you cast your vote for us you make balancing the budget your issue? Is Ron Paul running? I was hoping Youngkin would run. He just produced a $1B budget surplus. DeSantis and Haley had great economic records as governor too. I think Sununu would have been great. We had the opportunity for real change and blew it.
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Aug 18, 2024 9:21:50 GMT -6
Post by captbudman on Aug 18, 2024 9:21:50 GMT -6
How does your solution of not voting for either make you a noble champion of ending our deficit spending? The problem isn't Trump, but the RINOs in Congress (especially the Senate) who love to squander our tax dollars almost as much as the Dems. Respectfully, this simply is not correct. It was Trump's executive branch who demanded trillions in unpaid for covid spending - the legislative branch simple rubber stamped it. Trump also flatly refused to have any conversation about means testing social security or raising the retirement age over time - even though some in Congress wanted that discussion. He also refused to have any conversation about ObamaCare reforms- which is another debt bomb - even though his campaign promise was exactly the opposite. Currently, he is promising "no tax on tips". And "no federal income tax on social security payments". Anyone claiming Trump has not been a huge part of the debt issue is, at a minimum, completely ignoring the facts. What unique situation happened that led Trump TO JOIN OTHERS in calling for the massive spending? The reason that obscene amout of spending was asked for is that State and Local governments (primarily in Democrat controlled areas) were locking down the economy, forcibly closing businesses. This left many people suddenly unemployed, with businesses unable to earn revenue to cover their expenses. This wasn't just a normal recession -- it as intentionally caused by politicians for political reasons. Was the spending program inefficient, biased toward political contributors, and ripe for fraud? Of course it was. That doesn't mean that some of the economic relief wasn't deserved to counter the damage government did. The problem now is that Congress, both Dems and their RINO uniparty partners, have incorporated much of the Chi-Comm spending programs into the baseline budget. Like every other government program, they never end. What we need, as Elon and President Trump discussed, was a "government efficiency panel" combined with repealing the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. That will give the ability to finally shrink, not just reduce the rate of growth, government spending. As far as no tax on tips, social security, etc -- first, it's the people's money. The government has no money, and Congress needs to learn to do with less money. Second, we should once again return to a simplified tax scheme like we had under Ronald Reagan -- lower tax rates and massively reducing credits and deductions. I doubt we'll see a "flat rate," but his 3 rates is about as close as we've seen in my lifetime.
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Aug 18, 2024 9:25:33 GMT -6
Post by captbudman on Aug 18, 2024 9:25:33 GMT -6
Are you suggesting voting for Jill Stein, Cornel West, RFK Jr, or simply staying home in protest? I am suggesting that citizens who say (correctly) that neither the DEMs nor the REPs are principled enough to stand on conviction and do what is right for the nation and permissible under the constitution, but then vote for them anyway, are in fact guilty of doing the precise thing of which they accuse the politicians. At this moment, I have not found a candidate worthy of my highly valuable vote. If anyone does indeed earn it by election day, it will not be either Trump or Harris. They are disqualified. Once again, you've ruled out Trump and Harris. I understand your explanation why. My question now is what are you going to do about your November choice? Are you: - Voting for Jill Stein, Cornel West, RFK Jr, or a different Third Party candidate?
- Holding your nose and voting for what you view the lesser of two evils?
- Simply staying home (i.e., not voting) in protest?
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Aug 18, 2024 10:11:20 GMT -6
Post by oedipustex on Aug 18, 2024 10:11:20 GMT -6
The "both sides do it" argument is lazy and doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and I'm hearing a lot in discussions about inflation. Note this argument almost alwasy presents itself in defense of Democrats.
The CARES Act was genuinely bipartisan and signed by Trump. $2.2T The American Recovry Act was passed without a single GOP vote and signed by Biden. $1.9T The Infrastructure Act was passed with only two GOP votes and signed by Biden. $1.2T The Green New Deal cum Inflation Reduction Act was passed without a single GOP vote and signed by Biden. $0.9T
That yields a scorecard of $2.2T for the GOP and $6.3T for the Democrats. We have a clear "winner" here.
Yes, a trillion here and a trillion there, soon you're talking about real money.
Of the two political parties, we have one that wants to spend and spend like crazy (see above) and another that professes it doesn't want to spend but lacks the backbone to resist. Given the choice, I will support the latter as it can potentially help strengthen a backbone, while support of the other only encourages them. That choice is clear. Or, I suppose one could choose to do nothing or support a party which will have no effect at all. Either way, that is a path for pussies, IMO.
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Aug 18, 2024 10:58:32 GMT -6
Post by luvmywammies on Aug 18, 2024 10:58:32 GMT -6
As I mentioned earlier, you’d have to cut 30% of SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the military budget just to balance the budget. It’s not happening.
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Aug 18, 2024 12:08:55 GMT -6
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Post by Nano on Aug 18, 2024 12:08:55 GMT -6
As I mentioned earlier, you’d have to cut 30% of SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the military budget just to balance the budget. It’s not happening. We don' want a balanced budge. We need a target deficit of 3 to 4% of GdP to optimize the economy. These morons can't even stick to that.
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Aug 18, 2024 13:42:27 GMT -6
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Post by Nano on Aug 18, 2024 13:42:27 GMT -6
What are the chances Trump is actually part of the deep state and is playing a role in all this? One thing that pisses me off about Trump is that he still doesn’t admit Covid was BS and the vax is deadly. Trump is the deep state. Thats why the whole thing is so hilarious..
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