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Post by longtimereader on Aug 13, 2024 13:14:46 GMT -6
Hmmm the research doesn't seem to playing out well Indonesia is spread over 17,000 islands. To think they could count overnight is just silly. So France and Argentina then?
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Post by arrass on Aug 13, 2024 16:37:22 GMT -6
Indonesia is spread over 17,000 islands. To think they could count overnight is just silly. So France and Argentina then? Ask arative, he made the claim. I can't any information about it either way.
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Post by arrass on Aug 13, 2024 16:46:04 GMT -6
So France and Argentina then? Ask arative, he made the claim. I can't any information about it either way. Argentina, Buenos Aires – October 28, 2019 – Argentina processed election results with record-breaking speed during its general elections thanks to the new system implemented in partnership with technology company Smartmatic. The vote was held on October 27.
The Kraken isn't going to like that.
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Post by arrass on Aug 13, 2024 16:54:07 GMT -6
Indonesia is spread over 17,000 islands. To think they could count overnight is just silly. So France and Argentina then? "It's a key part of the election for politics junkies in the UK and USA - staying up all night watching the results come in. But while France also has an overnight count, the overall result is pretty much known at 8pm on polling day. Polls in France close at 8pm in most places, and then at 8pm a provisional result is released - follow the latest results HERE. In the snap parliamentary elections, a provisional result from round two will be released at around 8pm on Sunday, July 1st. These résultats provisoires come with caveats that most of the votes are yet to be counted, but while the final percentages usually vary slightly the overall result is almost always correct. So how does France manage this? Snap elections France's snap elections are parliamentary elections - each are is electing its representative in the Assemblée nationale (the French parliament). The party that wins a majority gets to nominate a prime minister. They are not presidential elections - these are held separately and at the last elections in 2022 Emmanuel Macron was re-elected for a five-year term. French elections are held in two rounds - the results from round one (June 30th) reveal which candidates have progressed to the run-off second round. This is usually two candidates but in some areas will be three or even four people - depending on the vote share. The results from round two (July 7th) reveal which candidates have been elected in each of France's 577 parliamentary constituencies. Analysis then begins to see which, if any, party has reached the magic number of 289 seats - an absolute parliamentary majority. Methodology The provisional result comes from counting initial votes at a number of selected polling stations around the country. Polling stations are carefully selected to ensure they provide a representative sample - rural and urban, north and south, elderly and young demographics etc. Once polls close at 8pm, the votes start to be counted. At the selected polling stations, once the first 100, 200 or 400 votes (depending on the size of the commune) are counted, they are phoned through to the polling organisations. These results are then combined to produce the percentage score of each candidate. Counting continues throughout the night and then on Monday morning once all votes are counted the Interior Ministry publishes the final, definite result. Accuracy This method is used for all election types in France - presidential, parliamentary, local and European - and it has (so far) never been wrong about who has won. Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa. If the result is very close, the pollsters have several options - if two candidates are neck-and-neck they can release the names of the two candidates with the highest number of votes, but not their vote percentage. If three candidates are neck-and-neck - and are therefore potential candidates for the second round - they can simply not release an early result and wait for the official count."
So provisional results are released.
"Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa."
Gee, that sounds familiar. Maybe they had a "water leak" and had to stop the counting.
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Post by arrass on Aug 13, 2024 17:02:08 GMT -6
30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. That's larger than the voting population of most states, so if France can do it why can't our states? Or locally why does St. Louis City, Kansas City and Springfield seem to always report last when they have less population than many other parts of the state? The only way that a delay can occur, and be trusted, is if NO results are reported to anyone until all votes are tabulated to the final counts. Votes go into a database the is not readable until all votes are injected and saved into that database. The number of people that have access to the database are limited and KNOWN so if a leak occurs you have only a few people to question. If there is leak the election starts over since the results can no longer be trusted. Then there has to be a paper trail, that's stored for a min of 2 years, that can be audited for future court cases and study. Mail in voting should be STOP for anything beyond extreme cases. Mail in votes are just asking for fraud since their ZERO ability to verify who made that vote, thus invalid votes can be easily injected. Would you support the Federal Government running all elections? Seems that it works for France, provisionally.
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Post by Nano on Aug 13, 2024 17:07:25 GMT -6
So France and Argentina then? "It's a key part of the election for politics junkies in the UK and USA - staying up all night watching the results come in. But while France also has an overnight count, the overall result is pretty much known at 8pm on polling day. Polls in France close at 8pm in most places, and then at 8pm a provisional result is released - follow the latest results HERE. In the snap parliamentary elections, a provisional result from round two will be released at around 8pm on Sunday, July 1st. These résultats provisoires come with caveats that most of the votes are yet to be counted, but while the final percentages usually vary slightly the overall result is almost always correct. So how does France manage this? Snap elections France's snap elections are parliamentary elections - each are is electing its representative in the Assemblée nationale (the French parliament). The party that wins a majority gets to nominate a prime minister. They are not presidential elections - these are held separately and at the last elections in 2022 Emmanuel Macron was re-elected for a five-year term. French elections are held in two rounds - the results from round one (June 30th) reveal which candidates have progressed to the run-off second round. This is usually two candidates but in some areas will be three or even four people - depending on the vote share. The results from round two (July 7th) reveal which candidates have been elected in each of France's 577 parliamentary constituencies. Analysis then begins to see which, if any, party has reached the magic number of 289 seats - an absolute parliamentary majority. Methodology The provisional result comes from counting initial votes at a number of selected polling stations around the country. Polling stations are carefully selected to ensure they provide a representative sample - rural and urban, north and south, elderly and young demographics etc. Once polls close at 8pm, the votes start to be counted. At the selected polling stations, once the first 100, 200 or 400 votes (depending on the size of the commune) are counted, they are phoned through to the polling organisations. These results are then combined to produce the percentage score of each candidate. Counting continues throughout the night and then on Monday morning once all votes are counted the Interior Ministry publishes the final, definite result. Accuracy This method is used for all election types in France - presidential, parliamentary, local and European - and it has (so far) never been wrong about who has won. Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa. If the result is very close, the pollsters have several options - if two candidates are neck-and-neck they can release the names of the two candidates with the highest number of votes, but not their vote percentage. If three candidates are neck-and-neck - and are therefore potential candidates for the second round - they can simply not release an early result and wait for the official count."
So provisional results are released.
"Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa."
Gee, that sounds familiar. Maybe they had a "water leak" and had to stop the counting.
Hahahaha
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Post by captbudman on Aug 13, 2024 17:37:21 GMT -6
France, Argentina, Indonesia, just to name a few. You should try doing your own research for a change though. 30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. Why are you asserting that America can't do on a per capita basis what France does? France counts the ballots at local voting stations right after the polls close. There's strict procedures, with observers and political party witnesses to monitor the process and prevent fraud. I share your concerns about mail in ballots, but the bigger concern with mail in ballots is likely inaccurate voting rolls allowing fraudulent voting.
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Post by longtimereader on Aug 13, 2024 18:15:30 GMT -6
That's larger than the voting population of most states, so if France can do it why can't our states? Or locally why does St. Louis City, Kansas City and Springfield seem to always report last when they have less population than many other parts of the state? The only way that a delay can occur, and be trusted, is if NO results are reported to anyone until all votes are tabulated to the final counts. Votes go into a database the is not readable until all votes are injected and saved into that database. The number of people that have access to the database are limited and KNOWN so if a leak occurs you have only a few people to question. If there is leak the election starts over since the results can no longer be trusted. Then there has to be a paper trail, that's stored for a min of 2 years, that can be audited for future court cases and study. Mail in voting should be STOP for anything beyond extreme cases. Mail in votes are just asking for fraud since their ZERO ability to verify who made that vote, thus invalid votes can be easily injected. Would you support the Federal Government running all elections? Seems that it works for France, provisionally. Hell no, our Federal government is corrupt to the core. But when states like PA are pro-actively saying "we are going to be delayed but that does not mean there is cheating" after the nonsense of the last election is not a good PR move.
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Post by Nano on Aug 13, 2024 18:20:35 GMT -6
30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. Why are you asserting that America can't do on a per capita basis what France does? France counts the ballots at local voting stations right after the polls close. There's strict procedures, with observers and political party witnesses to monitor the process and prevent fraud. I share your concerns about mail in ballots, but the bigger concern with mail in ballots is likely inaccurate voting rolls allowing fraudulent voting. France's ballot system is actually quite antiquated. I would bet money ours is more reliable.
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Post by captbudman on Aug 13, 2024 18:27:56 GMT -6
Why are you asserting that America can't do on a per capita basis what France does? France counts the ballots at local voting stations right after the polls close. There's strict procedures, with observers and political party witnesses to monitor the process and prevent fraud. I share your concerns about mail in ballots, but the bigger concern with mail in ballots is likely inaccurate voting rolls allowing fraudulent voting. France's ballot system is actually quite antiquated. I would bet money ours is more reliable. The wheel is quite antiquated, but still works. France's hand counting ballot system isn't going to be hacked...
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Post by Nano on Aug 13, 2024 18:52:16 GMT -6
France's ballot system is actually quite antiquated. I would bet money ours is more reliable. The wheel is quite antiquated, but still works. France's hand counting ballot system isn't going to be hacked... You don't think the wheel has been improved since it has been invented. My car wheels have microchips and sensors in them to optimize performance. Round rocks they ain't.
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Post by cardiological on Aug 13, 2024 19:15:23 GMT -6
So France and Argentina then? "It's a key part of the election for politics junkies in the UK and USA - staying up all night watching the results come in. But while France also has an overnight count, the overall result is pretty much known at 8pm on polling day. Polls in France close at 8pm in most places, and then at 8pm a provisional result is released - follow the latest results HERE. In the snap parliamentary elections, a provisional result from round two will be released at around 8pm on Sunday, July 1st. These résultats provisoires come with caveats that most of the votes are yet to be counted, but while the final percentages usually vary slightly the overall result is almost always correct. So how does France manage this? Snap elections France's snap elections are parliamentary elections - each are is electing its representative in the Assemblée nationale (the French parliament). The party that wins a majority gets to nominate a prime minister. They are not presidential elections - these are held separately and at the last elections in 2022 Emmanuel Macron was re-elected for a five-year term. French elections are held in two rounds - the results from round one (June 30th) reveal which candidates have progressed to the run-off second round. This is usually two candidates but in some areas will be three or even four people - depending on the vote share. The results from round two (July 7th) reveal which candidates have been elected in each of France's 577 parliamentary constituencies. Analysis then begins to see which, if any, party has reached the magic number of 289 seats - an absolute parliamentary majority. Methodology The provisional result comes from counting initial votes at a number of selected polling stations around the country. Polling stations are carefully selected to ensure they provide a representative sample - rural and urban, north and south, elderly and young demographics etc. Once polls close at 8pm, the votes start to be counted. At the selected polling stations, once the first 100, 200 or 400 votes (depending on the size of the commune) are counted, they are phoned through to the polling organisations. These results are then combined to produce the percentage score of each candidate. Counting continues throughout the night and then on Monday morning once all votes are counted the Interior Ministry publishes the final, definite result. Accuracy This method is used for all election types in France - presidential, parliamentary, local and European - and it has (so far) never been wrong about who has won. Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa. If the result is very close, the pollsters have several options - if two candidates are neck-and-neck they can release the names of the two candidates with the highest number of votes, but not their vote percentage. If three candidates are neck-and-neck - and are therefore potential candidates for the second round - they can simply not release an early result and wait for the official count."
So provisional results are released.
"Each candidate gets a provisional percentage of the vote and this is usually revised by a few percent in the final results, so that what can initially seem like a very narrow victory is actually quite comfortable, or vice versa."
Gee, that sounds familiar. Maybe they had a "water leak" and had to stop the counting.
Ah, yes. The old “water leak” fable dredged up once again, falsely peddled by Trump, and swallowed whole by his minions. The water leak was in fact a faulty urinal that occurred at 6:00am on Election Day morning, temporarily delaying the processing of absentee ballots for 2-3 hours, but was not a pretext for sending observers home that night so secret, fraudulent Biden ballots could be scanned (as ridiculously claimed by Trump). It is apparently the lie that will never die.
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Post by arative on Aug 13, 2024 20:11:12 GMT -6
France, Argentina, Indonesia, just to name a few. You should try doing your own research for a change though. 30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. We're talking about the state of PA already claiming it can't count all the votes, where other States and countries can seem to do the it. I guess PA is just a third world shit hole.
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Post by Nano on Aug 14, 2024 3:03:45 GMT -6
30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. We're talking about the state of PA already claiming it can't count all the votes, where other States and countries can seem to do the it. I guess PA is just a third world shit hole. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Yeah, didn't think so. More likely, PA realizes it is going to have a lot of remote votes and likely won't be done counting on election night so they issued this statement to preempt the inevitable conspiracy theories and whining that would be unleashed by MAGA in the event Trump loses, which he will at this rate.
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Post by moody on Aug 14, 2024 5:18:28 GMT -6
30M people voted in the last presidential election in France. How many people voted in the US? France is geographically smaller than the state of Texas. Why do you think counting the votes faster equates with counting them more accurately? I would rather they take their time to verify the mail in votes -- this is what causes the delay, not the machine counting. We're talking about the state of PA already claiming it can't count all the votes, where other States and countries can seem to do the it. I guess PA is just a third world shit hole. Clearly they are saying, “we will count votes until the Democrats win.” It couldn’t be any more clear, if you remember the six state “Biden viagra vote” (straight up from way behind) the night following the 2020 election.
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