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Post by gotscha on Sept 27, 2024 12:38:03 GMT -6
I don't have much heartburn about UBC's but I do not understand how anyone who understands our basic rights can be ok with RFL's as they are currently administered. Denying someone's constitutional rights without due process is just flat wrong and should not be allowed. Due process is the cornerstone of our constitution and if we can allow it to be usurped for guns, what's next? What if I know of a neighbor who likes to drink and drive, should a judge be able to take his liquor away and prevent him from owning any? That's not even a specified constitutional right, yet I don't think many people would support that being allowed. Bottom line: RFL's, or any removal of rights, without true due process should be outlawed. The heartburn with Universal Background Checks is it requires registration so PROVE a firearm was purchased via UBC. Firearms with manufacture dates before a law like that have no way to prove they went through the UBC system. 3Swallows will tell you that's not needed but he is a fool when it comes to this subject. Red Flag laws scum like 3Swallows are all for government control if you have not noticed. They want the people to fear the government not the other way around. There's another problem with UBCs - loaning a firearm. If my adult son wants to borrow a rifle to go hunting, would that be considered a legal transfer requiring a UBC? What if I want to give him a gun for protection? Is that a transfer requiring a UBC even though I know for a fact he's legally entitled to possess a firearm? Without gun registration, how would law enforcement ever know that a gun was transferred without a UBC? The way some UBC proposed laws have been written, I couldn't even let him use my gun at the range without a UBC into his possession and another UBC back into my possession. Personally, I would never sell a firearm to someone I didn't know extremely well without going through a dealer for the NICS check - The $20-25 fee is insurance for me and a good record of a legal transfer for both parties. The last thing I would ever want is to be the last person in the chain of custody for a gun used in a crime. But that 'insurance' is a far cry from the government intrusion required by a poorly written UBC law - and I've yet to read one that isn't poorly written. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 27, 2024 13:53:50 GMT -6
You and I disagree - mandatory minimum 5 years with no time off for good behavior! I would not be opposed to your suggestion. Sorry if I came across grumpy - wasn't directed at you. I'm really tired of the slap on the wrist judges while the Dems blame the freaking gun. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 27, 2024 13:55:24 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. I don't have much heartburn about UBC's but I do not understand how anyone who understands our basic rights can be ok with RFL's as they are currently administered. Denying someone's constitutional rights without due process is just flat wrong and should not be allowed. Due process is the cornerstone of our constitution and if we can allow it to be usurped for guns, what's next? What if I know of a neighbor who likes to drink and drive, should a judge be able to take his liquor away and prevent him from owning any? That's not even a specified constitutional right, yet I don't think many people would support that being allowed.
Bottom line: RFL's, or any removal of rights, without true due process should be outlawed. TRUTH because they can be abused so easily |
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Post by stiffy1957 on Sept 29, 2024 9:51:02 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! We want to stop kids being shot to death in schools. You want to keep fighting for the rights for murders to have gun rights. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 29, 2024 10:00:56 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! We want to stop kids being shot to death in schools. You want to keep fighting for the rights for murders to have gun rights. If you really gave a shit about kids and schools, you'd change the idiot rule that makes schools a soft target but nope, you'd rather sit at your keyboard and whine about it!! I'm so damned glad some schools are using their brains and allowing teachers or resource officers to be armed in school. |
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Post by longtimereader on Sept 29, 2024 17:08:10 GMT -6
Stiffy needs to shut her hole given who's done the last few mass shootings
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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 29, 2024 17:13:39 GMT -6
We want to stop kids being shot to death in schools. You want to keep fighting for the rights for murders to have gun rights. no, retard, you want to disarm Americans while doing nothing to deal with the mentally ill children on SSRI's and cross sex hormones flipping out going on killing sprees. Stop Violent Trans! |
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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 30, 2024 6:01:33 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. is this you? |
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Post by gotscha on Sept 30, 2024 6:08:04 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! We want to stop kids being shot to death in schools. You want to keep fighting for the rights for murders to have gun rights. Then why aren't you going after the progressive prosecutors and judges that won't vigorously prosecute illegal possession of a firearm? Is it because a disproportionate number prosecuted would be your precious minorities? Where is your concern for the over 10k blacks murdered by other blacks each year? When a tiny subset of the population accounts for 51% of all murders in this country, maybe the focus should be on that tiny subset and not on the majority that disproportionately DON'T commit murder? Face it, you're a sensationalist. The mundane facts both bore and confuse you. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 30, 2024 6:29:21 GMT -6
We want to stop kids being shot to death in schools. You want to keep fighting for the rights for murders to have gun rights. Then why aren't you going after the progressive prosecutors and judges that won't vigorously prosecute illegal possession of a firearm? Is it because a disproportionate number prosecuted would be your precious minorities? Where is your concern for the over 10k blacks murdered by other blacks each year? When a tiny subset of the population accounts for 51% of all murders in this country, maybe the focus should be on that tiny subset and not on the majority that disproportionately DON'T commit murder? Face it, you're a sensationalist. The mundane facts both bore and confuse you. Excellent points. If he's so interested in helping "the kids" he'd be whining when they get murdered in the streets but nope, his only interest in kids in school. smh |
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Post by gotscha on Sept 30, 2024 6:37:01 GMT -6
Then why aren't you going after the progressive prosecutors and judges that won't vigorously prosecute illegal possession of a firearm? Is it because a disproportionate number prosecuted would be your precious minorities? Where is your concern for the over 10k blacks murdered by other blacks each year? When a tiny subset of the population accounts for 51% of all murders in this country, maybe the focus should be on that tiny subset and not on the majority that disproportionately DON'T commit murder? Face it, you're a sensationalist. The mundane facts both bore and confuse you. Excellent points. If he's so interested in helping "the kids" he'd be whining when they get murdered in the streets but nope, his only interest in kids in school. smh As I said - she's a sensationalist. A kid getting killed in school (usually by another kid on legal mind-altering drugs) is far more sensational than the same number of kids dying on the streets of Chicago in a typical weekend. The former gets Mary's attention, the latter does not. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 30, 2024 7:21:22 GMT -6
Excellent points. If he's so interested in helping "the kids" he'd be whining when they get murdered in the streets but nope, his only interest in kids in school. smh As I said - she's a sensationalist. A kid getting killed in school (usually by another kid on legal mind-altering drugs) is far more sensational than the same number of kids dying on the streets of Chicago in a typical weekend. The former gets Mary's attention, the latter does not. So the former gets everyone's attention who then whines we need to do something about guns - the inanimate object who needs a human to operate it - instead of attacking the real issue - those LEGAL MIND-ALTERING DRUGS that doctors love to push! TBH, I'm not even sure that is 100% of the problem. What I am sure of is, IMO, the problem is more human than it is gun |
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Post by 3 Sport Town on Sept 30, 2024 7:23:25 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. is this you? 😀😀😀😀😀. No I do not dance that well, but what a cool guy. |
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Post by sheepdawg on Sept 30, 2024 7:44:14 GMT -6
Universal background checks need a complete registration of every firearm to work.
Let me know when you get all the guns in the hood registered.
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Post by gotscha on Sept 30, 2024 7:55:44 GMT -6
Universal background checks need a complete registration of every firearm to work. Let me know when you get all the guns in the hood registered. Good luck with that. Illinois can't even get more than a small percentage of what they erroneously call 'assault weapons' registered. Compliance is dismal. |
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