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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 26, 2024 7:15:34 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own!
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Post by gotscha on Sept 26, 2024 7:57:44 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! I think you misunderstood the comment about operating cell phones in cars. He was saying that people who operate cell phones in cars (I assume not-hands-free) are MORE dangerous than 'gun violence.' I tend to agree. I see people all the time texting with their phone in their lap while driving 70mph down the highway, struggling to keep their car in the lane at the same time. Those people are actively operating a deadly device (car/truck) in an extremely negligent manner and should be charged accordingly when they do. Thankfully it's now illegal in Missouri unless hands-free, but I still see many doing it. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 26, 2024 8:09:50 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! I think you misunderstood the comment about operating cell phones in cars. He was saying that people who operate cell phones in cars (I assume not-hands-free) are MORE dangerous than 'gun violence.' I tend to agree. I see people all the time texting with their phone in their lap while driving 70mph down the highway, struggling to keep their car in the lane at the same time. Those people are actively operating a deadly device (car/truck) in an extremely negligent manner and should be charged accordingly when they do. Thankfully it's now illegal in Missouri unless hands-free, but I still see many doing it. It's quite possible I misunderstood and in that context, I do agree with him. Yeah, we've had that illegal for about a year and I don't know if it's made a difference or not but I would assume it has. The thing that terrifies me is the semi drivers who would rather be on their phone - doing whatever - than driving those trucks! smh I can't tell you the number of times we've almost been run off the road by those clowns! |
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Post by longtimereader on Sept 26, 2024 11:08:05 GMT -6
Liberal Gun Owners wants to change how the US addresses gun-related issuesGun ownership among American voters is the highest on record, and not just on the right.Multiple studies show there has been a sharp rise in the percentage of Democrats who report having firearms in their homes in recent years – and some of them feel their views on the issue are not being heard by either major party in today's polarized political climate. Welcome to the Club!Randy Miyan is the co-founder and executive director of Liberal Gun Owners (LGO), a non-profit that began as a Facebook group in 2007 for people politically in the center and left-of-center to have healthy conversations about guns.He told FOX Business in an interview that Americans need to remove the mythology that rural conservatives are the ones who own guns, and that urban liberals don't. Despite the trends the media focuses on, he says, "Liberals and Democrats have been owning guns the whole time."Miyan said most online gun forums are dominated by those on the right who feel that "if you are even a little bit moderate and liberal – you like PBS and solar panels – then you're destroying the country," so many people find those spaces toxic and don't want to deal with the "BS." But, he also noted all social media forums have political extremists if not properly monitored. Nice Generalization! "Everyone that is heavily committed to both sides of the issue believes that they are absolutely right. And this is the problem," he said. "These over-committed viewpoints are actually one of the main reasons why we do not have better results for both gun rights and public safety."Among the extremely-online gun crowd, he noted, there are gun-right absolutists, and "take-them-away" radicals.After a few years, LGO cleaned house to remove extremists of all stripes from their group. The organization has received hundreds of thousands of requests from people who wanted to join over the years, but is very selective in who they let in. (They leave the NRA-type membership building to their cousin organization, the Liberal Gun Club.)LGO is now a think tank that has around 5,000 people, including gun-owning academics, that weigh in with constructive views, statistics, and solutions aimed at preserving gun rights for Americans while addressing public safety.In their policy positions, they support NICS background checks, conceal carry licensure, the TSA's current requirements for gun storage when flying, and the idea of punishment for gun storage negligence (but say training and education need priority).LGO is against universal background checks, an "assault" weapons ban (Miyan says studies show the Clinton-era "assault" weapons ban didn't work), magazine capacity restrictions, feature bans, red flag laws, and complex licensing systems. The think tank also believes gun ownership restrictions due to marijuana use and mental health need to be reanalyzed.One of the greatest concerns surrounding guns in the U.S. right now is school shootings. But Miyan says many of the laws touted by politicians on the left will not actually solve the problem."The reality is, is that laws simply do not function the way that they are being advertised to function by the Democratic Party," Miyan told FOX Business. "That's also true for the Republicans, but we're not talking about them. We're talking about gun control."He also believes there are definitely some people who should not have guns, but says more people should not operate their cell phones in cars, because that kills more people than gun violence.Still, he argues it has been the mentalities on both sides that are hurting progress in addressing the issues surrounding firearms. Democrats say they're the answer, Republicans think they're the answer, and the way that each party is handling it is a hindrance, he says.Miyan believes that for the nation to have improvements on either the mitigation of gun-related negatives or gun rights, the thinking that surrounds the whole discussion has to move into the 21st century – and that's his organization's mission."Americans are hungry for evolution with this issue. There cannot be evolution with such philosophical entrenchment," he said. "Moreso than the involved politicians: the American people need to prepare their brains for a new way to deal with guns. People need to be open to changing how they view the whole thing."www.foxbusiness.com/politics/liberal-gun-owners-wants-change-how-u-s-addresses-gun-related-issuesNot sure I want to trust the word of someone who thinks that the right to own a gun and talking on a cell phone in your car is the same thing but to each their own! I think you misunderstood the comment about operating cell phones in cars. He was saying that people who operate cell phones in cars (I assume not-hands-free) are MORE dangerous than 'gun violence.' I tend to agree. I see people all the time texting with their phone in their lap while driving 70mph down the highway, struggling to keep their car in the lane at the same time. Those people are actively operating a deadly device (car/truck) in an extremely negligent manner and should be charged accordingly when they do. Thankfully it's now illegal in Missouri unless hands-free, but I still see many doing it. Fun fact drunk drivers are safer than people texting and driving, since the drunk is at least looking out the windshield. |
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Post by gotscha on Sept 26, 2024 14:10:48 GMT -6
I think you misunderstood the comment about operating cell phones in cars. He was saying that people who operate cell phones in cars (I assume not-hands-free) are MORE dangerous than 'gun violence.' I tend to agree. I see people all the time texting with their phone in their lap while driving 70mph down the highway, struggling to keep their car in the lane at the same time. Those people are actively operating a deadly device (car/truck) in an extremely negligent manner and should be charged accordingly when they do. Thankfully it's now illegal in Missouri unless hands-free, but I still see many doing it. Fun fact drunk drivers are safer than people texting and driving, since the drunk is at least looking out the windshield. That doesn't surprise me in the least. And yet so many people still think it's harmless. |
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Post by Aesa on Sept 26, 2024 15:02:39 GMT -6
Fun fact drunk drivers are safer than people texting and driving, since the drunk is at least looking out the windshield. That doesn't surprise me in the least. And yet so many people still think it's harmless. There is nothing harmless about it. My childhood and long time friend was killed on his bike by a twenty something girl that just had to send a text while driving. As far as I am concerned it should be a mandatory minimum 1 year jail sentence if caught texting or talking (phone in hand) while driving. Most cars 2010 and newer have Bluetooth built in to the factory stereo. If not, drop $25 bucks on a bt earpiece. Keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road! |
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Post by 3 Sport Town on Sept 26, 2024 15:14:47 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 26, 2024 15:55:43 GMT -6
I don't think you meant to, but calling liberals lieberals is more accurate than you realize |
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Post by Billy John Davy on Sept 26, 2024 16:38:00 GMT -6
I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. I cant speak for lieberals since I have a functioning brain, but ubc and rfl would, infact, prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. Lets say there are 2 guys who want to trade guns. UBC mandates they incur costs for the priviledge of trading their legally owned property. RFL's could mean a forum member who took a comment completely out of context could call the "authorities" and have ME red flagged |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 26, 2024 17:47:37 GMT -6
That doesn't surprise me in the least. And yet so many people still think it's harmless. There is nothing harmless about it. My childhood and long time friend was killed on his bike by a twenty something girl that just had to send a text while driving. As far as I am concerned it should be a mandatory minimum 1 year jail sentence if caught texting or talking (phone in hand) while driving. Most cars 2010 and newer have Bluetooth built in to the factory stereo. If not, drop $25 bucks on a bt earpiece. Keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road! You and I disagree - mandatory minimum 5 years with no time off for good behavior! |
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Post by stargatebabe on Sept 26, 2024 17:49:34 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. So go argue with Randy Miyan - you can find him on Facebook - since he's the one who said it! I'm sure he'll appreciate you telling him he's stupid for having a different opinion than you |
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Post by longtimereader on Sept 27, 2024 5:54:03 GMT -6
I see 3swallows continues to push the childish gun control ideas.
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Post by wb on Sept 27, 2024 11:07:28 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. I don't have much heartburn about UBC's but I do not understand how anyone who understands our basic rights can be ok with RFL's as they are currently administered. Denying someone's constitutional rights without due process is just flat wrong and should not be allowed. Due process is the cornerstone of our constitution and if we can allow it to be usurped for guns, what's next? What if I know of a neighbor who likes to drink and drive, should a judge be able to take his liquor away and prevent him from owning any? That's not even a specified constitutional right, yet I don't think many people would support that being allowed. Bottom line: RFL's, or any removal of rights, without true due process should be outlawed. |
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Post by Aesa on Sept 27, 2024 11:27:32 GMT -6
There is nothing harmless about it. My childhood and long time friend was killed on his bike by a twenty something girl that just had to send a text while driving. As far as I am concerned it should be a mandatory minimum 1 year jail sentence if caught texting or talking (phone in hand) while driving. Most cars 2010 and newer have Bluetooth built in to the factory stereo. If not, drop $25 bucks on a bt earpiece. Keep your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road! You and I disagree - mandatory minimum 5 years with no time off for good behavior! I would not be opposed to your suggestion. |
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Post by longtimereader on Sept 27, 2024 12:17:50 GMT -6
There are many liberal gun owners, and I am sure many are against assault weapons ban. I am not buying there are many lieberals against universal background checks and red flag laws that do not prevent lawful gun owners from owning and selling the weapons of their choice. It is just stupid to be against those laws that work well in many states. I don't have much heartburn about UBC's but I do not understand how anyone who understands our basic rights can be ok with RFL's as they are currently administered. Denying someone's constitutional rights without due process is just flat wrong and should not be allowed. Due process is the cornerstone of our constitution and if we can allow it to be usurped for guns, what's next? What if I know of a neighbor who likes to drink and drive, should a judge be able to take his liquor away and prevent him from owning any? That's not even a specified constitutional right, yet I don't think many people would support that being allowed. Bottom line: RFL's, or any removal of rights, without true due process should be outlawed. The heartburn with Universal Background Checks is it requires registration so PROVE a firearm was purchased via UBC. Firearms with manufacture dates before a law like that have no way to prove they went through the UBC system. 3Swallows will tell you that's not needed but he is a fool when it comes to this subject. Red Flag laws scum like 3Swallows are all for government control if you have not noticed. They want the people to fear the government not the other way around. |
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