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Post by mph on Oct 18, 2024 21:03:02 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth.
I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really.
at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread?
i am so lost in finding truth these days.
Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times.
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Post by Aesa on Oct 18, 2024 21:24:07 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days. Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. I can somewhat understand your confusion, but don't rely solely on the spoken word. I am certain there is anti-semitism on both sides but as far as the liberal leadership, actions speak louder than words, IMHO. |
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Post by floridaanticub on Oct 19, 2024 5:36:11 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days. Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. It’s helpful to understand that all politicians lie at one time or another but EVERYTHING the Democrats say is a lie. |
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Post by stargatebabe on Oct 19, 2024 7:15:05 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days.Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. Please don't look to the media to tell you the truth. They will tell you THEIR truth, which may or may not be the actual truth. Look for actual examples of antisemitism, like all the liberal college protests against the Jewish last semester. For that matter, all the protests against Israel. How dare Israel defend itself? Yes, Gaza may be hurting - and I'm truly sorry they got caught in the middle but they have no one to blame but those who put Hamas in charge - but who put Hamas in charge but the people of Gaza?
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Post by Billy John Davy on Oct 19, 2024 8:14:56 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, Dont do that. There are professionals to that type of shit work. do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. Its not only what you hear, but what you dont hear. Its the tacit approval of the pro terror, anti-semitic "protests". Their denunciations of the terror supporters are always caveated by a "both sides" argument. I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, you say "Pro palestine", I say pro terrorist. There is no "palestine". No country wants the people because where ever they go, terror and violence follow. ;I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle because the idea that we can change the weather by raising taxes is beyond stupid, its communist. |
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Post by str8shooter on Oct 19, 2024 8:41:14 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days. Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. Yes, both sides lie but do not trust the MSM. They shill for the Democrats 24/7. Use a combination of your common sense and what you know about Trump's time in office. |
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Post by mph on Oct 19, 2024 9:19:28 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses. Some good thoughts to consider.
I am trying to stay focused on being true to myself first. To know what I believe in, and navigate the best I can. I realize I may end up losing, but I think it is important to live life the right way, and be able to look yourself in the mirror and be proud of the way you conducted yourself.
i agree most media is absolutely propaganda. It’s just I fear “what if a lot of the right wing media is propaganda “ as well. What if I am being pushed too hard to think negative untruths about most democrats/liberals?
One anecdotal example: I met one Palestinean person in my life. He was 15 & 16 when I knew him (I was 37 & 38). He was a great h7man being, didn’t talk politics at all as a youngster, didn’t seem to have negative influence from his parents either (never met them). Was also very caring for people with disabilities, beyond his years. When I think of a Palestinean person, I try remembering him. Is he what is portrayed EVER by right wing? No. Of course the question also remains, was he the exception or the rule.
Maybe that takeaway is to try to refrain from grouping people the way the media does.
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Post by mph on Oct 19, 2024 9:22:53 GMT -6
Also, regarding the comment, Palestine is not a place… True, it currently is not. But was it at one point? Even if not, what is the cutoff for a people to have their own land? I don’t have the answer, just questioning a bit. I do appreciate the viewpoint.
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Post by attackrat on Oct 19, 2024 23:22:32 GMT -6
Also, regarding the comment, Palestine is not a place… True, it currently is not. But was it at one point? Even if not, what is the cutoff for a people to have their own land? I don’t have the answer, just questioning a bit. I do appreciate the viewpoint. The Israelis left Gaza to the Palestinians. The Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas into power. Hamas, rather than try to make Gaza prosperous and provide a better future for itself, primarily focused on destroying Israel culminating in October 7th. They had their own land, and they chose to put into power a group more concerned with killing their neighbors than building a country for their people. The best thing for a free Palestine would be for Israel to control the territory and provide the security (since no other Muslim country in the region wants to do it) while the Palestinians build a modern society. |
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Post by attackrat on Oct 19, 2024 23:48:26 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days. Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. You're first problem was watching MSNBC. Don't watch them. Don't watch CNN, Fox News, or any other cable news either. Cable television news is not interested in telling you the truth; they are only interested in you watching more. The truth is out there. But no single outlet is going to give you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth; you need to seek it out yourself. When you find that a source has purposefully misled you, then you must at a minimum question that source more than you did. Be a little more Scully than Mulder. But if you personally see five aliens run past you, then you can let a little more Mulder into your life. |
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Post by mph on Oct 20, 2024 0:07:04 GMT -6
I am at a difficult moment. I struggle to identify with truth. I spent a few minutes watching msnbc, and listened as a guy talked about MAGA antisemitism. I was in shock. I know and listen to many more conservatives then liberals, and I never hear an ounce of antisemitism. Then I think, outside of media and coverage of college campuses, do I hear antisemitism from the left. Not really. at what level are both sides lying about the other? I still feel that I must factor in the pro Palestine groups on the left, and those seem like they are real. But is that really the end of it? Just fringe extremes we hear about that make us think/feel it is more widespread? i am so lost in finding truth these days. Also, not to start too many threads, I find it incredibly interesting what topics have dropped out of the election. I don’t hear either side talking about climate change during this cycle (maybe a little something from time to time, but not even being polled or brought up in debates, etc.). WHY? Is it because it does not resonate with either side? If it is the “most dangerous thing we face”, shouldn’t it be a large part of the election cycle? A sign to me that it is not as serious as portrayed at other times. You're first problem was watching MSNBC. Don't watch them. Don't watch CNN, Fox News, or any other cable news either. Cable television news is not interested in telling you the truth; they are only interested in you watching more. The truth is out there. But no single outlet is going to give you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth; you need to seek it out yourself. When you find that a source has purposefully misled you, then you must at a minimum question that source more than you did. Be a little more Scully than Mulder. But if you personally see five aliens run past you, then you can let a little more Mulder into your life. That hits part of the problem for me. Eventually, they all prove to have an agenda. I trust so little. Completely agree the main news networks and cable networks are absolutely corrupt. I watch a little from time to t8me, just so I can see what is being fed to people, and why they think so extreme. |
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Post by attackrat on Oct 20, 2024 0:48:27 GMT -6
You're first problem was watching MSNBC. Don't watch them. Don't watch CNN, Fox News, or any other cable news either. Cable television news is not interested in telling you the truth; they are only interested in you watching more. The truth is out there. But no single outlet is going to give you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth; you need to seek it out yourself. When you find that a source has purposefully misled you, then you must at a minimum question that source more than you did. Be a little more Scully than Mulder. But if you personally see five aliens run past you, then you can let a little more Mulder into your life. That hits part of the problem for me. Eventually, they all prove to have an agenda. I trust so little. Completely agree the main news networks and cable networks are absolutely corrupt. I watch a little from time to t8me, just so I can see what is being fed to people, and why they think so extreme. Everyone has an agenda. You have an agenda. I have an agenda. The media outlets only cater to those agendas to maximize profits. That's not corruption, that is them giving the people what they want. |
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Post by str8shooter on Oct 20, 2024 16:23:54 GMT -6
If you want to get lost in the lies, just watch Harris' latest political ad that Democrats are running this week and during football. The ad states that Project 2025 is a Trump initiative and that Trump will enact abortion throughout the US. He will raise taxes. He will ... Every statement in that ad is a lie. Trump has constantly and consistently stated that "Project" is not his creation and that he does not support much of what is in that effort.
Maria Bartiroma did an interview where she asked some pressing questions. The MSM took one part of his answer about the "enemy within" and used it to suggest that Trump was coming after liberals. The statement had to do with people like those who burned various cities in this country where the National Guard and perhaps the military were needed but not called on to establish order. Trump clarified this in a liberal interview but that is ignored by the MSM.
Finally, CBS changed Harris' answers to questions. That is reprehensible. The intent is to make Harris look smart rather than present more word salad from this imbecile.
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Post by mph on Oct 20, 2024 21:06:21 GMT -6
That hits part of the problem for me. Eventually, they all prove to have an agenda. I trust so little. Completely agree the main news networks and cable networks are absolutely corrupt. I watch a little from time to t8me, just so I can see what is being fed to people, and why they think so extreme. Everyone has an agenda. You have an agenda. I have an agenda. The media outlets only cater to those agendas to maximize profits. That's not corruption, that is them giving the people what they want. I think news media has an established agenda that is important, buy the are not following americanpressassociation.com/principles-of-journalism/nowhere in the link or ones like it, does it say as a means to maximize profits. Further, it’s one thing to report in a way that earns viewership. Its another to report in a way to try and influence the people. These are corrupt uses of news reporting/journalists. |
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