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Post by attackrat on Jul 20, 2024 9:51:59 GMT -6
Given the amount of "mistakes" that have and keep coming out, this goes beyond pure incompetence. There is a rumor that MSNBC and CNN have only covered ONE Trump rally this year, guess which one; in high def. But sure you want to believe the government story go right ahead, I bet you believed the naturally occurring COVID theory too. What do you mean a rumor? Is it something that has any credibility to it, or is it something making the rounds on Twitter? The fact that they would have had high definition cameras, which have been mainstream for like a decade or so, covering the rally doesn't seem too shocking to me. Do any professional organizations use standard definition cameras anymore? That actually would be surprising to me! I'm not suggesting that we all should blindly believe the government on anything. Far from it. The government is run by people and people lie. No doubt that people in the Secret Service are in "Cover Your Ass Mode." We absolutely need an investigation to get the truth. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; not coincidences, not speculation, not rumors. I believe that making these types of extraordinary claims without evidence acts to hinder the real truth from reaching the people. COVID is a great example. Just one topic from the COVID issue would be the vaccine. Claims about its safety and efficacy were absolutely legitimate. Claims that the vaccine was itself the bioweapon were not. |
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Post by longtimereader on Jul 20, 2024 10:14:32 GMT -6
Given the amount of "mistakes" that have and keep coming out, this goes beyond pure incompetence. There is a rumor that MSNBC and CNN have only covered ONE Trump rally this year, guess which one; in high def. But sure you want to believe the government story go right ahead, I bet you believed the naturally occurring COVID theory too. What do you mean a rumor? Is it something that has any credibility to it, or is it something making the rounds on Twitter? The fact that they would have had high definition cameras, which have been mainstream for like a decade or so, covering the rally doesn't seem too shocking to me. Do any professional organizations use standard definition cameras anymore? That actually would be surprising to me! I'm not suggesting that we all should blindly believe the government on anything. Far from it. The government is run by people and people lie. No doubt that people in the Secret Service are in "Cover Your Ass Mode." We absolutely need an investigation to get the truth. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; not coincidences, not speculation, not rumors. I believe that making these types of extraordinary claims without evidence acts to hinder the real truth from reaching the people. COVID is a great example. Just one topic from the COVID issue would be the vaccine. Claims about its safety and efficacy were absolutely legitimate. Claims that the vaccine was itself the bioweapon were not. COVID vaccines safe? The vaccines are showing to do harm to many. The efficacy of the "vaccines" is show to be crap. For COVID origins you were labeled crazy if you did not believe the "naturally occurring" theory vs. a lab leak, gee which one is now showing to be true? Like COVID something smells here, but it was not supposed to matter since Trump and the shooter would've been dead. |
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Post by attackrat on Jul 20, 2024 11:38:47 GMT -6
What do you mean a rumor? Is it something that has any credibility to it, or is it something making the rounds on Twitter? The fact that they would have had high definition cameras, which have been mainstream for like a decade or so, covering the rally doesn't seem too shocking to me. Do any professional organizations use standard definition cameras anymore? That actually would be surprising to me! I'm not suggesting that we all should blindly believe the government on anything. Far from it. The government is run by people and people lie. No doubt that people in the Secret Service are in "Cover Your Ass Mode." We absolutely need an investigation to get the truth. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; not coincidences, not speculation, not rumors. I believe that making these types of extraordinary claims without evidence acts to hinder the real truth from reaching the people. COVID is a great example. Just one topic from the COVID issue would be the vaccine. Claims about its safety and efficacy were absolutely legitimate. Claims that the vaccine was itself the bioweapon were not. COVID vaccines safe? The vaccines are showing to do harm to many. The efficacy of the "vaccines" is show to be crap. For COVID origins you were labeled crazy if you did not believe the "naturally occurring" theory vs. a lab leak, gee which one is now showing to be true? Like COVID something smells here, but it was not supposed to matter since Trump and the shooter would've been dead. Those who want to believe in a government/Deep State conspiracy are already resigned to the fact that "We will never know the truth," posted on this very forum in various ways. In other words, there can be no amount of evidence, no amount of investigations performed that will be legitimate, unless and until the conspiracy is confirmed. The absence of evidence supporting the conspiracy is actually evidence of the conspiracy according to the believers. I find it hard to believe that all this work was put in, all these people involved, and "they" relied on a single 20 year old loser who was apparently a bad shot. That's not evidence against a potential conspiracy, just my current thoughts. If the investigations turn up conflicting information, then my thoughts would change. |
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Post by cardiological on Jul 20, 2024 12:14:49 GMT -6
COVID vaccines safe? The vaccines are showing to do harm to many. The efficacy of the "vaccines" is show to be crap. For COVID origins you were labeled crazy if you did not believe the "naturally occurring" theory vs. a lab leak, gee which one is now showing to be true? Like COVID something smells here, but it was not supposed to matter since Trump and the shooter would've been dead. Those who want to believe in a government/Deep State conspiracy are already resigned to the fact that "We will never know the truth," posted on this very forum in various ways. In other words, there can be no amount of evidence, no amount of investigations performed that will be legitimate, unless and until the conspiracy is confirmed. The absence of evidence supporting the conspiracy is actually evidence of the conspiracy according to the believers. I find it hard to believe that all this work was put in, all these people involved, and "they" relied on a single 20 year old loser who was apparently a bad shot. That's not evidence against a potential conspiracy, just my current thoughts. If the investigations turn up conflicting information, then my thoughts would change. The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. |
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Post by captbudman on Jul 20, 2024 13:01:43 GMT -6
Those who want to believe in a government/Deep State conspiracy are already resigned to the fact that "We will never know the truth," posted on this very forum in various ways. In other words, there can be no amount of evidence, no amount of investigations performed that will be legitimate, unless and until the conspiracy is confirmed. The absence of evidence supporting the conspiracy is actually evidence of the conspiracy according to the believers. I find it hard to believe that all this work was put in, all these people involved, and "they" relied on a single 20 year old loser who was apparently a bad shot. That's not evidence against a potential conspiracy, just my current thoughts. If the investigations turn up conflicting information, then my thoughts would change. The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. Where did you read/hear that the soy boy was recruited by the Deep State to assassinate the President? I don't recall anyone saying that. The questions about the "Deep State" isn't "why did their assassin fail," but how could the Secret Service have so many lapses in Secret Service Protection Protocols that allowed the President to get shot in the first place? What is being questioned is how can the Secret Service be so inept to allow a person with a backpack and rangefinder to then carry a rifle and ladder around the event? He was apparently flagged but not followed. How come the Secret Service/PoPo had to rely on rally participants to be notified of him on the "sloped roof" instead of that roof being secured? Why was the President allowed to speak knowing he was an imminent threat? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the soy boy until after the President was shot? Were the "rules of engagement" set that they had to wait until the soy boy shot first before he could be shot? Is the root cause for the assassination attempt pure, utter incompetence? Did the push for "Diversity" and a 30+% female quota (females are held to lower standards) put the President at risk? Was there something more nefarious in political leadership knowing that they weakened the security detail for President Trump's rally and were willing to put the President at risk, but took their actions anyway? The fact that US Secret Service allowed a rifle-armed shooter within 150 yards to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. America needs to know how the assassination attempt happened, why the soy boy wasn't killed before he was shot, and all of the facts (including sworn testimony) be declassified and made in public. |
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Post by str8shooter on Jul 20, 2024 14:03:49 GMT -6
Those who want to believe in a government/Deep State conspiracy are already resigned to the fact that "We will never know the truth," posted on this very forum in various ways. In other words, there can be no amount of evidence, no amount of investigations performed that will be legitimate, unless and until the conspiracy is confirmed. The absence of evidence supporting the conspiracy is actually evidence of the conspiracy according to the believers. I find it hard to believe that all this work was put in, all these people involved, and "they" relied on a single 20 year old loser who was apparently a bad shot. That's not evidence against a potential conspiracy, just my current thoughts. If the investigations turn up conflicting information, then my thoughts would change. The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. Do you shoot at all? 130 yards is nothing. We go to a family event every year in Tennessee. My daughter won two years ago at 150 yards and she had not practice nor had she shot a rifle in over 3 years. BTW, this kid joined a rifle range and started practicing. |
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Post by Nano on Jul 20, 2024 14:06:04 GMT -6
The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. Where did you read/hear that the soy boy was recruited by the Deep State to assassinate the President? I don't recall anyone saying that. The questions about the "Deep State" isn't "why did their assassin fail," but how could the Secret Service have so many lapses in Secret Service Protection Protocols that allowed the President to get shot in the first place? What is being questioned is how can the Secret Service be so inept to allow a person with a backpack and rangefinder to then carry a rifle and ladder around the event? He was apparently flagged but not followed. How come the Secret Service/PoPo had to rely on rally participants to be notified of him on the "sloped roof" instead of that roof being secured? Why was the President allowed to speak knowing he was an imminent threat? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the soy boy until after the President was shot? Were the "rules of engagement" set that they had to wait until the soy boy shot first before he could be shot? Is the root cause for the assassination attempt pure, utter incompetence? Did the push for "Diversity" and a 30+% female quota (females are held to lower standards) put the President at risk? Was there something more nefarious in political leadership knowing that they weakened the security detail for President Trump's rally and were willing to put the President at risk, but took their actions anyway? The fact that US Secret Service allowed a rifle-armed shooter within 150 yards to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. America needs to know how the assassination attempt happened, why the soy boy wasn't killed before he was shot, and all of the facts (including sworn testimony) be declassified and made in public. Based on my general experiences, I believe the answer is that most people are incompetent and make a lot of dumb mistakes. The mistakes in this case are ridiculous. Has anyone been fired? |
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Post by captbudman on Jul 20, 2024 14:46:49 GMT -6
Where did you read/hear that the soy boy was recruited by the Deep State to assassinate the President? I don't recall anyone saying that. The questions about the "Deep State" isn't "why did their assassin fail," but how could the Secret Service have so many lapses in Secret Service Protection Protocols that allowed the President to get shot in the first place? What is being questioned is how can the Secret Service be so inept to allow a person with a backpack and rangefinder to then carry a rifle and ladder around the event? He was apparently flagged but not followed. How come the Secret Service/PoPo had to rely on rally participants to be notified of him on the "sloped roof" instead of that roof being secured? Why was the President allowed to speak knowing he was an imminent threat? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the soy boy until after the President was shot? Were the "rules of engagement" set that they had to wait until the soy boy shot first before he could be shot? Is the root cause for the assassination attempt pure, utter incompetence? Did the push for "Diversity" and a 30+% female quota (females are held to lower standards) put the President at risk? Was there something more nefarious in political leadership knowing that they weakened the security detail for President Trump's rally and were willing to put the President at risk, but took their actions anyway? The fact that US Secret Service allowed a rifle-armed shooter within 150 yards to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. America needs to know how the assassination attempt happened, why the soy boy wasn't killed before he was shot, and all of the facts (including sworn testimony) be declassified and made in public. Based on my general experiences, I believe the answer is that most people are incompetent and make a lot of dumb mistakes. The mistakes in this case are ridiculous. Has anyone been fired? It's the Federal Government -- what do you think? We lost the Afghan War after 20 years, and yet not one single General was fired, court-martialed, or demoted. If someone is going to be a scapegoat and get fired, it will be a lower level person, not the management responsible for improper staffing levels. We are already seeing efforts by top staff to blame the local police, state police, and moderately sloped roofs. The only ones who did there job that I saw were the brave Secret Service agents who threw their bodies on top of the President. |
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Post by Nano on Jul 20, 2024 16:18:48 GMT -6
Based on my general experiences, I believe the answer is that most people are incompetent and make a lot of dumb mistakes. The mistakes in this case are ridiculous. Has anyone been fired? It's the Federal Government -- what do you think? We lost the Afghan War after 20 years, and yet not one single General was fired, court-martialed, or demoted. If someone is going to be a scapegoat and get fired, it will be a lower level person, not the management responsible for improper staffing levels. We are already seeing efforts by top staff to blame the local police, state police, and moderately sloped roofs. The only ones who did there job that I saw were the brave Secret Service agents who threw their bodies on top of the President. Sadly true |
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Post by cardiological on Jul 20, 2024 16:37:53 GMT -6
The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. Do you shoot at all? 130 yards is nothing. We go to a family event every year in Tennessee. My daughter won two years ago at 150 yards and she had not practice nor had she shot a rifle in over 3 years. BTW, this kid joined a rifle range and started practicing. Expert shot, str8shooter.. I grew up in Tennessee, went to school with Davy Crockett’s descendants, and went through basic training with Alvin York’s great nephew. We were all good shots. It comes naturally. 😉 I’m just not much in to conspiracy theories. Especially not one that suggests the government/Deep State somehow orchestrated or deliberately allowed this assassination attempt in order to take Trump out. |
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Post by str8shooter on Jul 20, 2024 18:13:03 GMT -6
Do you shoot at all? 130 yards is nothing. We go to a family event every year in Tennessee. My daughter won two years ago at 150 yards and she had not practice nor had she shot a rifle in over 3 years. BTW, this kid joined a rifle range and started practicing. Expert shot, str8shooter.. I grew up in Tennessee, went to school with Davy Crockett’s descendants, and went through basic training with Alvin York’s great nephew. We were all good shots. It comes naturally. 😉 I’m just not much in to conspiracy theories. Especially not one that suggests the government/Deep State somehow orchestrated or deliberately allowed this assassination attempt in order to take Trump out. First, I don't subscribe to this being a conspiracy. I disagree with any suggestion that since this guy was cut from the school's shooting team and that this was a tough shot. BTW, I have been all around Murfreesboro, Tennessee where Alvin York was from. (General area.) |
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Post by cardiological on Jul 20, 2024 18:14:08 GMT -6
The kid was so inept that after falling to make the high school rifle team he was asked to not try out again out of fear he might hurt somebody. And this was the “marksman” supposedly hired by the Deep State to be an assassin. Ludicrous. Where did you read/hear that the soy boy was recruited by the Deep State to assassinate the President? I don't recall anyone saying that. The questions about the "Deep State" isn't "why did their assassin fail," but how could the Secret Service have so many lapses in Secret Service Protection Protocols that allowed the President to get shot in the first place? What is being questioned is how can the Secret Service be so inept to allow a person with a backpack and rangefinder to then carry a rifle and ladder around the event? He was apparently flagged but not followed. How come the Secret Service/PoPo had to rely on rally participants to be notified of him on the "sloped roof" instead of that roof being secured? Why was the President allowed to speak knowing he was an imminent threat? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the soy boy until after the President was shot? Were the "rules of engagement" set that they had to wait until the soy boy shot first before he could be shot? Is the root cause for the assassination attempt pure, utter incompetence? Did the push for "Diversity" and a 30+% female quota (females are held to lower standards) put the President at risk? Was there something more nefarious in political leadership knowing that they weakened the security detail for President Trump's rally and were willing to put the President at risk, but took their actions anyway? The fact that US Secret Service allowed a rifle-armed shooter within 150 yards to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. America needs to know how the assassination attempt happened, why the soy boy wasn't killed before he was shot, and all of the facts (including sworn testimony) be declassified and made in public.
www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-misinformation-conspiracy-theories/
And you don’t need to analyze Moody’s comments too deeply to discern his view that, after the failure of Lawfare, the left likely resorted to this extreme measure to “remain in power”.
Would it not be logical that if this were a (failed) Deep State coup and left wing plot to remain in power a component of the coup/plot would be collaboration with the shooter?
Once again, I don’t disagree with the questions you raise. I, and most of the public, have the same questions. Hopefully we’ll soon get answers.
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Post by cardiological on Jul 20, 2024 18:29:26 GMT -6
Expert shot, str8shooter.. I grew up in Tennessee, went to school with Davy Crockett’s descendants, and went through basic training with Alvin York’s great nephew. We were all good shots. It comes naturally. 😉 I’m just not much in to conspiracy theories. Especially not one that suggests the government/Deep State somehow orchestrated or deliberately allowed this assassination attempt in order to take Trump out. First, I don't subscribe to this being a conspiracy. I disagree with any suggestion that since this guy was cut from the school's shooting team and that this was a tough shot. BTW, I have been all around Murfreesboro, Tennessee where Alvin Bragg was from. (General area.) General Douglas MacArthur’s wife was also from Murfreesboro. I have relatives there. My mother was from near Manchester about 30 miles southeast. I love the area. |
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Post by captbudman on Jul 20, 2024 20:03:01 GMT -6
Where did you read/hear that the soy boy was recruited by the Deep State to assassinate the President? I don't recall anyone saying that. The questions about the "Deep State" isn't "why did their assassin fail," but how could the Secret Service have so many lapses in Secret Service Protection Protocols that allowed the President to get shot in the first place? What is being questioned is how can the Secret Service be so inept to allow a person with a backpack and rangefinder to then carry a rifle and ladder around the event? He was apparently flagged but not followed. How come the Secret Service/PoPo had to rely on rally participants to be notified of him on the "sloped roof" instead of that roof being secured? Why was the President allowed to speak knowing he was an imminent threat? Why didn't the Secret Service shoot the soy boy until after the President was shot? Were the "rules of engagement" set that they had to wait until the soy boy shot first before he could be shot? Is the root cause for the assassination attempt pure, utter incompetence? Did the push for "Diversity" and a 30+% female quota (females are held to lower standards) put the President at risk? Was there something more nefarious in political leadership knowing that they weakened the security detail for President Trump's rally and were willing to put the President at risk, but took their actions anyway? The fact that US Secret Service allowed a rifle-armed shooter within 150 yards to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. America needs to know how the assassination attempt happened, why the soy boy wasn't killed before he was shot, and all of the facts (including sworn testimony) be declassified and made in public.
www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-misinformation-conspiracy-theories/
And you don’t need to analyze Moody’s comments too deeply to discern his view that, after the failure of Lawfare, the left likely resorted to this extreme measure to “remain in power”.
Thanks for the CBS quote and link. Once again, you're demonstrating why I've enjoyed our conversations over the years. Not only are you informative, but supply links with information that I and others may not have been aware. I don't listen to Alex Jones so I wasn't aware of the comments he made (a quick search showed this). As far as my friend Moody, there's many people I've talked to that share the same sentiment about "they" will kill Trump. By "they," I think most people believe who share that sentiment believed that someone from the "left" would try to kill him, not necessarily the "Deep State." For example, look at the Bernie supporter that almost killed Steve Scalise. It certainly is plausible to think that a nutty leftist could see that after attempts to remove Trump from the ballot failed, the Enron-J6 charges were thrown out, Presidential Immunity was clarified, and Jack Smith's Florida case was dismissed, a leftist nut may try to "save Democracy" by "stopping Hitler." Would it not be logical that if this were a (failed) Deep State coup and left wing plot to remain in power a component of the coup/plot would be collaboration with the shooter? Once again, I don’t disagree with the questions you raise. I, and most of the public, have the same questions. Hopefully we’ll soon get answers. If the CIA/FBI were going to shoot Trump from that distance, they wouldn't have missed -- and likely would have had multiple shooters as a guarantee. However, this Washington Post story indicates that the same spokesman for the Secret Service (Anthony Guglielmi) quoted in your CBS article is, at a minimum, incorrect. The Secret Service detail assigned to Trump was routinely denied the resources they asked for. Resources were taken away from Trump's security detail, which was put in writing. If the Secret Service is understaffed, then why aren't they calling Erik Prince and have him provide security like Blackwater Security did in Iraq and Afghanistan for the State Department? He did it before and can do it again. I'm glad that we share the same concerns. Hopefully Cheatle gets fired, and the nation gets its questions answered. |
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Post by abuxb on Jul 20, 2024 20:38:05 GMT -6
The left has been told time and time again don't go looking for a fight you just might find one. Now we have leftist calling for calm? You don't get to throw punches then bitch when you find a fight. Typical Democrat/leftist M.O. isn't it? Exactly like the Biden message concerning Israel hunting down the murderous HAMAS scum who attacked Israel on October 7th. As Israel tracks down and takes out HAMAS leaders, soldiers, and sympathizers, the left screams for a cease fire and an end to all violence. I'm so glad I switched to being all in for President Trump. He represents America's ONLY hope for the future. |
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