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Post by JDCJJ on Aug 9, 2024 9:53:43 GMT -6
Tim Walz's campaign bio tweaked following controversy over military credentialsDemocratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris's campaign tweaked her running mate Tim Walz's biography following controversy about his military credentials. Walz was referred to as a “retired command sergeant major” and it now states that he once served at the command sergeant major rank, a minor change that more accurately reflects his rank at retirement, Just The News confirmed on Thursday. Walz currently serves as the Democratic governor of Minnesota and was in the Army National Guard for 24 years before he retired in 2005 to run for office. The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Walz was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including in his official gubernatorial biography. justthenews.com/politics-policy/tim-walzs-biography-tweaked-following-controversy-over-military-credentials-reportmn.gov/governor/about-gov/timwalz/
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Post by captbudman on Aug 9, 2024 12:37:07 GMT -6
Tim Walz's campaign bio tweaked following controversy over military credentialsDemocratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris's campaign tweaked her running mate Tim Walz's biography following controversy about his military credentials. Walz was referred to as a “retired command sergeant major” and it now states that he once served at the command sergeant major rank, a minor change that more accurately reflects his rank at retirement, Just The News confirmed on Thursday. Walz currently serves as the Democratic governor of Minnesota and was in the Army National Guard for 24 years before he retired in 2005 to run for office. The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Walz was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including in his official gubernatorial biography. justthenews.com/politics-policy/tim-walzs-biography-tweaked-following-controversy-over-military-credentials-reportmn.gov/governor/about-gov/timwalz/ So Kamala's handlers bought more lipstick?
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Post by floridaanticub on Aug 9, 2024 12:55:03 GMT -6
Any time a Democratic puts out a statement or is quoted do not rush to take it at face value. Always better to wait for the compulsory “clarification” to find out what the weasel — er……politician — really meant.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 9, 2024 13:44:55 GMT -6
Tim Walz's campaign bio tweaked following controversy over military credentialsDemocratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris's campaign tweaked her running mate Tim Walz's biography following controversy about his military credentials. Walz was referred to as a “retired command sergeant major” and it now states that he once served at the command sergeant major rank, a minor change that more accurately reflects his rank at retirement, Just The News confirmed on Thursday. Walz currently serves as the Democratic governor of Minnesota and was in the Army National Guard for 24 years before he retired in 2005 to run for office. The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Walz was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including in his official gubernatorial biography. justthenews.com/politics-policy/tim-walzs-biography-tweaked-following-controversy-over-military-credentials-reportmn.gov/governor/about-gov/timwalz/ SURPRISE!
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 9, 2024 15:01:59 GMT -6
Tim Walz's campaign bio tweaked following controversy over military credentialsDemocratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris's campaign tweaked her running mate Tim Walz's biography following controversy about his military credentials. Walz was referred to as a “retired command sergeant major” and it now states that he once served at the command sergeant major rank, a minor change that more accurately reflects his rank at retirement, Just The News confirmed on Thursday. Walz currently serves as the Democratic governor of Minnesota and was in the Army National Guard for 24 years before he retired in 2005 to run for office. The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Walz was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including in his official gubernatorial biography. justthenews.com/politics-policy/tim-walzs-biography-tweaked-following-controversy-over-military-credentials-reportmn.gov/governor/about-gov/timwalz/ I'm not certain that's stated correctly. For the record, I do see Tim Walz as a more extreme lefty, than Kamala. What I found out on his 24 year service, with the National Guard is as follows: 1) Tim Walz received the rank as Sergeant Major. 2) The duration of the key training courses required to secure the rank of command sergeant major is as follows: a) Basic Combat Training (BCT): Approximately 10 weeks. b) Advanced Individual Training (AIT): Varies by Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), typically ranging from 4 to 52 weeks. c) Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES): I) Basic Leader Course (BLC): About 22 days. II) Advanced Leader Course (ALC): Typically, 8 to 12 weeks. III) Senior Leader Course (SLC): Around 8 to 10 weeks. IV) Master Leader Course (MLC): Approximately 4 weeks. d) Sergeants Major Course (SMC): The capstone course, which takes about 10 months to complete. These courses are designed to progressively build leadership skills and tactical knowledge, preparing soldiers for higher responsibilities. 3) Tim Walz completed courses a thru c, and he started course d in early 2003. Based on the above, Tim Walz should have completed the course by late 2003, or early 2004. I haven't found any record to indicate he completed course d. 4) Tim Walz submitted his retirement papers for the National Guard five to seven months before his retirement date in May 2005. This means he likely submitted them between October 2004 and January 2005. 5) Tim Walz was aware of the likelihood of his unit’s deployment to Iraq by at least March 2005 (5 months after he submitted his retirement papers). The official alert order for the 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment’s mobilization came on July 14, 2005, two months after Walz retired, as a Master Sergeant. 6) February 10, 2005, Walz filed to run for the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota's 1st congressional district. In conclusion, Tim Walz did serve the National Guard for 24 years. Thank you for your service. Tim Walz did achieve the ranking of Sergeant Major. Since Tim Walz did not complete the required courses, and he submitted his retirement papers, before he knew his regiment was to be deploy, his official ranking for retirement benefits is Master Sergeant, who had no combat experience. I don't see this as an issue.
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Post by longtimereader on Aug 9, 2024 15:16:25 GMT -6
Tim Walz's campaign bio tweaked following controversy over military credentialsDemocratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris's campaign tweaked her running mate Tim Walz's biography following controversy about his military credentials. Walz was referred to as a “retired command sergeant major” and it now states that he once served at the command sergeant major rank, a minor change that more accurately reflects his rank at retirement, Just The News confirmed on Thursday. Walz currently serves as the Democratic governor of Minnesota and was in the Army National Guard for 24 years before he retired in 2005 to run for office. The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Walz was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including in his official gubernatorial biography. justthenews.com/politics-policy/tim-walzs-biography-tweaked-following-controversy-over-military-credentials-reportmn.gov/governor/about-gov/timwalz/ I'm not certain that's stated correctly. For the record, I do see Tim Walz as a more extreme lefty, than Kamala. What I found out on his 24 year service, with the National Guard is as follows: 1) Tim Walz received the rank as Sergeant Major. 2) The duration of the key training courses required to secure the rank of command sergeant major is as follows: a) Basic Combat Training (BCT): Approximately 10 weeks. b) Advanced Individual Training (AIT): Varies by Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), typically ranging from 4 to 52 weeks. c) Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES): I) Basic Leader Course (BLC): About 22 days. II) Advanced Leader Course (ALC): Typically, 8 to 12 weeks. III) Senior Leader Course (SLC): Around 8 to 10 weeks. IV) Master Leader Course (MLC): Approximately 4 weeks. d) Sergeants Major Course (SMC): The capstone course, which takes about 10 months to complete. These courses are designed to progressively build leadership skills and tactical knowledge, preparing soldiers for higher responsibilities. 3) Tim Walz completed courses a thru c, and he started course d in early 2003. Based on the above, Tim Walz should have completed the course by late 2003, or early 2004. I haven't found any record to indicate he completed course d. 4) Tim Walz submitted his retirement papers for the National Guard five to seven months before his retirement date in May 2005. This means he likely submitted them between October 2004 and January 2005. 5) Tim Walz was aware of the likelihood of his unit’s deployment to Iraq by at least March 2005 (5 months after he submitted his retirement papers). The official alert order for the 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment’s mobilization came on July 14, 2005, two months after Walz retired, as a Master Sergeant. 6) February 10, 2005, Walz filed to run for the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota's 1st congressional district. In conclusion, Tim Walz did serve the National Guard for 24 years. Thank you for your service. Tim Walz did achieve the ranking of Sergeant Major. Since Tim Walz did not complete the required courses, and he submitted his retirement papers, before he knew his regiment was to be deploy, his official ranking for retirement benefits is Master Sergeant, who had no combat experience. I don't see this as an issue. Many have a serious issue with it given he tried to use his military service to push gun control.
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Post by lighthouse on Aug 9, 2024 15:21:47 GMT -6
I'm not certain that's stated correctly. For the record, I do see Tim Walz as a more extreme lefty, than Kamala. What I found out on his 24 year service, with the National Guard is as follows: 1) Tim Walz received the rank as Sergeant Major. 2) The duration of the key training courses required to secure the rank of command sergeant major is as follows: a) Basic Combat Training (BCT): Approximately 10 weeks. b) Advanced Individual Training (AIT): Varies by Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), typically ranging from 4 to 52 weeks. c) Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES): I) Basic Leader Course (BLC): About 22 days. II) Advanced Leader Course (ALC): Typically, 8 to 12 weeks. III) Senior Leader Course (SLC): Around 8 to 10 weeks. IV) Master Leader Course (MLC): Approximately 4 weeks. d) Sergeants Major Course (SMC): The capstone course, which takes about 10 months to complete. These courses are designed to progressively build leadership skills and tactical knowledge, preparing soldiers for higher responsibilities. 3) Tim Walz completed courses a thru c, and he started course d in early 2003. Based on the above, Tim Walz should have completed the course by late 2003, or early 2004. I haven't found any record to indicate he completed course d. 4) Tim Walz submitted his retirement papers for the National Guard five to seven months before his retirement date in May 2005. This means he likely submitted them between October 2004 and January 2005. 5) Tim Walz was aware of the likelihood of his unit’s deployment to Iraq by at least March 2005 (5 months after he submitted his retirement papers). The official alert order for the 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment’s mobilization came on July 14, 2005, two months after Walz retired, as a Master Sergeant. 6) February 10, 2005, Walz filed to run for the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota's 1st congressional district. In conclusion, Tim Walz did serve the National Guard for 24 years. Thank you for your service. Tim Walz did achieve the ranking of Sergeant Major. Since Tim Walz did not complete the required courses, and he submitted his retirement papers, before he knew his regiment was to be deploy, his official ranking for retirement benefits is Master Sergeant, who had no combat experience. I don't see this as an issue. Many have a serious issue with it given he tried to use his military service to push gun control. Yes, Tim Walz has made statements implying he carried weapons in combat. However, these claims have been fact-checked and found to be misleading.
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Post by Nano on Aug 9, 2024 15:48:30 GMT -6
I'm not certain that's stated correctly. For the record, I do see Tim Walz as a more extreme lefty, than Kamala. What I found out on his 24 year service, with the National Guard is as follows: 1) Tim Walz received the rank as Sergeant Major. 2) The duration of the key training courses required to secure the rank of command sergeant major is as follows: a) Basic Combat Training (BCT): Approximately 10 weeks. b) Advanced Individual Training (AIT): Varies by Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), typically ranging from 4 to 52 weeks. c) Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES): I) Basic Leader Course (BLC): About 22 days. II) Advanced Leader Course (ALC): Typically, 8 to 12 weeks. III) Senior Leader Course (SLC): Around 8 to 10 weeks. IV) Master Leader Course (MLC): Approximately 4 weeks. d) Sergeants Major Course (SMC): The capstone course, which takes about 10 months to complete. These courses are designed to progressively build leadership skills and tactical knowledge, preparing soldiers for higher responsibilities. 3) Tim Walz completed courses a thru c, and he started course d in early 2003. Based on the above, Tim Walz should have completed the course by late 2003, or early 2004. I haven't found any record to indicate he completed course d. 4) Tim Walz submitted his retirement papers for the National Guard five to seven months before his retirement date in May 2005. This means he likely submitted them between October 2004 and January 2005. 5) Tim Walz was aware of the likelihood of his unit’s deployment to Iraq by at least March 2005 (5 months after he submitted his retirement papers). The official alert order for the 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment’s mobilization came on July 14, 2005, two months after Walz retired, as a Master Sergeant. 6) February 10, 2005, Walz filed to run for the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota's 1st congressional district. In conclusion, Tim Walz did serve the National Guard for 24 years. Thank you for your service. Tim Walz did achieve the ranking of Sergeant Major. Since Tim Walz did not complete the required courses, and he submitted his retirement papers, before he knew his regiment was to be deploy, his official ranking for retirement benefits is Master Sergeant, who had no combat experience. I don't see this as an issue. Many have a serious issue with it given he tried to use his military service to push gun control. MAGA have a serious issue with it but they aren't serious people or in play for the election. Independents and moderates not only don't care about this, but it is starting to feel like Trump and Vance are trying to bully a guy who served the country for 24 years. If Trump and Vance don't start talking about issues, they are going to lose this election. The 6th grade nickname thing also is getting old. And yes, it's really weird.
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Post by markbelding on Aug 9, 2024 15:49:36 GMT -6
I don't see Walz' service as an issue itself. However I do have serious issues with his DUI and the Guards. E8 is a very senior enlisted rate, E9 even more so. The E8 that I worked for had many years of experiencing supervising the mechanical operators of a nuclear submarine propulsion plant. My problem is that there are training and time in rate (TIR) and time in service (TIS) requirements to advance to the next rate. The times very and some of it can be waved, but my experience is that many E5's were given that rank for reenlisting, otherwise you have to have a certain TIR for the previous rate, take the test, get recommended and than based on your scores and need of the Navy they will take the top percentage. It is possible to get E6 in six years, if everything goes just right. The average for E8 is something like 17 years plus or minus. Now my problem is that my TIS and TIR wasn't part time like Walz. Guard members spend one weekend a month, and two week a year unless they are called up and yet they are making these senior supervisory rates with little to any actual experience. The nuclear navy and sub in general doesn't use reserves, because someone that wasn't trained or qualified would be useless. Maybe it doesn't matter as much if you join the Army and are performing some simple function, but the leadership skills would still be in question.
My other issue is the DUI. If you get arrested for DUI or anything you are normally required to report this to your command. A DUI in the nuclear navy would get your security clearance canceled and you ejected out of the navy. I don't know if Walz has a clearance, but did he report his arrest and what happened?
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Post by momof3 on Aug 9, 2024 16:15:17 GMT -6
Many have a serious issue with it given he tried to use his military service to push gun control. MAGA have a serious issue with it but they aren't serious people or in play for the election. Independents and moderates not only don't care about this, but it is starting to feel like Trump and Vance are trying to bully a guy who served the country for 24 years. If Trump and Vance don't start talking about issues, they are going to lose this election. The 6th grade nickname thing also is getting old. And yes, it's really weird. The left has an issue with some statement Vance once made about “single cat ladies”. Are they serious for as having an issue with it? Do you think lying about your service record is not as bad as making a comment about “single cat ladies”?
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Post by Nano on Aug 9, 2024 17:34:29 GMT -6
MAGA have a serious issue with it but they aren't serious people or in play for the election. Independents and moderates not only don't care about this, but it is starting to feel like Trump and Vance are trying to bully a guy who served the country for 24 years. If Trump and Vance don't start talking about issues, they are going to lose this election. The 6th grade nickname thing also is getting old. And yes, it's really weird. The left has an issue with some statement Vance once made about “single cat ladies”. Are they serious for as having an issue with it? Do you think lying about your service record is not as bad as making a comment about “single cat ladies”? I think thats an obnoxious, mean spirted, misogynistic comment. Definitely fair game just like the Rs going after their Ds for their anti semitism is fair game. I don't think he lied about his service record. I think the Rs are trying to nuance their way into that argument and it's a dumb one.
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Post by momof3 on Aug 9, 2024 20:11:29 GMT -6
The left has an issue with some statement Vance once made about “single cat ladies”. Are they serious for as having an issue with it? Do you think lying about your service record is not as bad as making a comment about “single cat ladies”? I think thats an obnoxious, mean spirted, misogynistic comment. Definitely fair game just like the Rs going after their Ds for their anti semitism is fair game. I don't think he lied about his service record. I think the Rs are trying to nuance their way into that argument and it's a dumb one. Walz claimed in his biography, both as a VP candidate now, and as a governor, that he retired at a rank higher than his actual rank at the time. He had been demoted before he retired. How is that not lying?
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Post by Nano on Aug 10, 2024 4:13:23 GMT -6
I think thats an obnoxious, mean spirted, misogynistic comment. Definitely fair game just like the Rs going after their Ds for their anti semitism is fair game. I don't think he lied about his service record. I think the Rs are trying to nuance their way into that argument and it's a dumb one. Walz claimed in his biography, both as a VP candidate now, and as a governor, that he retired at a rank higher than his actual rank at the time. He had been demoted before he retired. How is that not lying? Thats not quite right. He was that rank when he retired but was subsequently downgraded. He should have changed his bio. So what. You don't seem to mind that Trump lied to dodge the Vietnam War. That was a crime and seems much more serious to me. So give me a break on your fake outrage here.
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Post by momof3 on Aug 10, 2024 7:30:57 GMT -6
Walz claimed in his biography, both as a VP candidate now, and as a governor, that he retired at a rank higher than his actual rank at the time. He had been demoted before he retired. How is that not lying? Thats not quite right. He was that rank when he retired but was subsequently downgraded. He should have changed his bio. So what. You don't seem to mind that Trump lied to dodge the Vietnam War. That was a crime and seems much more serious to me. So give me a break on your fake outrage here. How is it fake outrage? Democrats claim to be better than Republicans. If his biography was wrong when he was governor, which it was, then he should have changed it then. Not only did he NOT change it then, but he allowed it to be carried over to his bio as a VP candidate. He knowingly continued a lie. He also lied by saying he used weapons “in war”. You don’t seem to mind that Walz was dishonest. That seems serious to me. Is your outrage about Trump fake? If not, then how is me being bothered by Walz “fake”, but you being bothered by Trump not?
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 10, 2024 7:45:42 GMT -6
Thats not quite right. He was that rank when he retired but was subsequently downgraded. He should have changed his bio. So what. You don't seem to mind that Trump lied to dodge the Vietnam War. That was a crime and seems much more serious to me. So give me a break on your fake outrage here. How is it fake outrage? Democrats claim to be better than Republicans. If his biography was wrong when he was governor, which it was, then he should have changed it then. Not only did he NOT change it then, but he allowed it to be carried over to his bio as a VP candidate. He knowingly continued a lie. He also lied by saying he used weapons “in war”.You don’t seem to mind that Walz was dishonest. That seems serious to me. Is your outrage about Trump fake? If not, then how is me being bothered by Walz “fake”, but you being bothered by Trump not? the new line about that from the campaign (Not No Balz, just a flunky) is that he misspoke about that. For over 5 years.
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