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Post by markbelding on Oct 7, 2024 10:38:32 GMT -6
Watching TV with my wife yesterday and there was a story about voters and issues. Now I happen to not have a lot of trust in our voting system, and when I tell my wife this she gets all irate and starts asking me if think that the last election was stolen. It is kind of like the whole immigration debate, you can't be against illegal immigration without someone trying to push you to some extreme position. Anyway, I told my wife that I would feel a lot more confident in the lection results if I knew that everyone that voted had to prove their identity and citizenship.
Like many of you I have often walked by different groups signing people up to vote. Strangely as an older white male I have never been asked whether I was registered to vote or whether I wanted to sigh up, strange right? So it occurred to me and I asked my wife this and she didn't know, when they sigh people up to vote on the street how are they checking their identity because they are not checking any documents and if they re simply filling out a form, this seems to insufficient to me. So I checked on line with MO, and you can send a form in by mail, and through the form asks for a drivers license number, and a social security number, the form says leave these items blank if you don't have one or the other.
So can you get registered if you don't have a social security number, and why wouldn't someone have a social security number if they were legally here and able to vote? And how does the state insure that the person filling this form out is actually that person without some form of ID to prove their identity? I just have a lot of question and I don't feel that the process is at all secure. I just got my Real ID and I had to show my passport and several other items to prove my identity and residence, but you can register to vote without showing anything?
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Post by longtimereader on Oct 7, 2024 10:48:41 GMT -6
The whole real id, flying etc... vs. the requirements for vote is NUTS.
But hey we are supposed to trust the outcome of the elections with no controls.
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Post by 3 Sport Town on Oct 7, 2024 12:46:07 GMT -6
How do you prove your citizenship? Legal immigrants have real IDs and social security numbers even if they are not citizens.
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Post by Aesa on Oct 7, 2024 13:10:46 GMT -6
How do you prove your citizenship? Legal immigrants have real IDs and social security numbers even if they are not citizens. I had to prove my citizenship several years ago when I renewed my Missouri driver's license and get a RealID. I drove to Nashville to get a certified and notarized copy of my birth certificate. It was a hassle, but I made it work. If I can manage to get it done so can anyone else. It may be inconvenient but it can be done. Back then Tennessee required this to be done in person. It is probably possible to get one now by just supplying the required info online, like parent's names and birthdays, mother's maiden name and my location of birth (city and hospital), SSN, etc. |
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Post by attackrat on Oct 7, 2024 21:20:57 GMT -6
How do you prove your citizenship? Legal immigrants have real IDs and social security numbers even if they are not citizens. I had to prove my citizenship several years ago when I renewed my Missouri driver's license and get a RealID. I drove to Nashville to get a certified and notarized copy of my birth certificate. It was a hassle, but I made it work. If I can manage to get it done so can anyone else. It may be inconvenient but it can be done. Back then Tennessee required this to be done in person. It is probably possible to get one now by just supplying the required info online, like parent's names and birthdays, mother's maiden name and my location of birth (city and hospital), SSN, etc. But that isn't what he said in his post... He said that legal immigrants have Real IDs and social security numbers even though they are not citizens, and therefore are not entitled to vote. Presenting a Real ID is not sufficient to prove citizenship. |
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Post by attackrat on Oct 7, 2024 21:24:59 GMT -6
The whole real id, flying etc... vs. the requirements for vote is NUTS. But hey we are supposed to trust the outcome of the elections with no controls. 23 years since 9/11 without a Real ID requirement to board a plane, and no hijackings and plane crashes into landmarks. Is Real ID even necessary? I'm not necessarily opposed to it (honestly, I don't really care one way or the other), but the requirements came about because of 9/11 and 20+ years later still aren't implemented. That really is our government at work! |
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Post by longtimereader on Oct 8, 2024 4:54:14 GMT -6
The whole real id, flying etc... vs. the requirements for vote is NUTS. But hey we are supposed to trust the outcome of the elections with no controls. 23 years since 9/11 without a Real ID requirement to board a plane, and no hijackings and plane crashes into landmarks. Is Real ID even necessary? No it's not since it is nothing but security theater, but that's not the point of my comment. The fact you need more documentation for an ID than to vote is NUTS. |
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Post by stiffy1957 on Oct 8, 2024 4:56:31 GMT -6
Watching TV with my wife yesterday and there was a story about voters and issues. Now I happen to not have a lot of trust in our voting system, and when I tell my wife this she gets all irate and starts asking me if think that the last election was stolen. It is kind of like the whole immigration debate, you can't be against illegal immigration without someone trying to push you to some extreme position. Anyway, I told my wife that I would feel a lot more confident in the lection results if I knew that everyone that voted had to prove their identity and citizenship. Like many of you I have often walked by different groups signing people up to vote. Strangely as an older white male I have never been asked whether I was registered to vote or whether I wanted to sigh up, strange right? So it occurred to me and I asked my wife this and she didn't know, when they sigh people up to vote on the street how are they checking their identity because they are not checking any documents and if they re simply filling out a form, this seems to insufficient to me. So I checked on line with MO, and you can send a form in by mail, and through the form asks for a drivers license number, and a social security number, the form says leave these items blank if you don't have one or the other. So can you get registered if you don't have a social security number, and why wouldn't someone have a social security number if they were legally here and able to vote? And how does the state insure that the person filling this form out is actually that person without some form of ID to prove their identity? I just have a lot of question and I don't feel that the process is at all secure. I just got my Real ID and I had to show my passport and several other items to prove my identity and residence, but you can register to vote without showing anything? Iregistered to vote when I renewed my driver's license. Why isn't that enough for you? |
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Post by Aesa on Oct 8, 2024 5:06:43 GMT -6
I had to prove my citizenship several years ago when I renewed my Missouri driver's license and get a RealID. I drove to Nashville to get a certified and notarized copy of my birth certificate. It was a hassle, but I made it work. If I can manage to get it done so can anyone else. It may be inconvenient but it can be done. Back then Tennessee required this to be done in person. It is probably possible to get one now by just supplying the required info online, like parent's names and birthdays, mother's maiden name and my location of birth (city and hospital), SSN, etc. But that isn't what he said in his post... He said that legal immigrants have Real IDs and social security numbers even though they are not citizens, and therefore are not entitled to vote. Presenting a Real ID is not sufficient to prove citizenship. Hey dimwit, I was talking about proving citizenship to obtain those items. |
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Post by gotmewrong on Oct 8, 2024 5:13:51 GMT -6
Watching TV with my wife yesterday and there was a story about voters and issues. Now I happen to not have a lot of trust in our voting system, and when I tell my wife this she gets all irate and starts asking me if think that the last election was stolen. It is kind of like the whole immigration debate, you can't be against illegal immigration without someone trying to push you to some extreme position. Anyway, I told my wife that I would feel a lot more confident in the lection results if I knew that everyone that voted had to prove their identity and citizenship. Like many of you I have often walked by different groups signing people up to vote. Strangely as an older white male I have never been asked whether I was registered to vote or whether I wanted to sigh up, strange right? So it occurred to me and I asked my wife this and she didn't know, when they sigh people up to vote on the street how are they checking their identity because they are not checking any documents and if they re simply filling out a form, this seems to insufficient to me. So I checked on line with MO, and you can send a form in by mail, and through the form asks for a drivers license number, and a social security number, the form says leave these items blank if you don't have one or the other. So can you get registered if you don't have a social security number, and why wouldn't someone have a social security number if they were legally here and able to vote? And how does the state insure that the person filling this form out is actually that person without some form of ID to prove their identity? I just have a lot of question and I don't feel that the process is at all secure. I just got my Real ID and I had to show my passport and several other items to prove my identity and residence, but you can register to vote without showing anything? Iregistered to vote when I renewed my driver's license. Why isn't that enough for you? Why weren't you registered to vote? |
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Post by stargatebabe on Oct 8, 2024 5:43:01 GMT -6
Watching TV with my wife yesterday and there was a story about voters and issues. Now I happen to not have a lot of trust in our voting system, and when I tell my wife this she gets all irate and starts asking me if think that the last election was stolen. It is kind of like the whole immigration debate, you can't be against illegal immigration without someone trying to push you to some extreme position. Anyway, I told my wife that I would feel a lot more confident in the lection results if I knew that everyone that voted had to prove their identity and citizenship. Like many of you I have often walked by different groups signing people up to vote. Strangely as an older white male I have never been asked whether I was registered to vote or whether I wanted to sigh up, strange right? So it occurred to me and I asked my wife this and she didn't know, when they sigh people up to vote on the street how are they checking their identity because they are not checking any documents and if they re simply filling out a form, this seems to insufficient to me. So I checked on line with MO, and you can send a form in by mail, and through the form asks for a drivers license number, and a social security number, the form says leave these items blank if you don't have one or the other. So can you get registered if you don't have a social security number, and why wouldn't someone have a social security number if they were legally here and able to vote? And how does the state insure that the person filling this form out is actually that person without some form of ID to prove their identity? I just have a lot of question and I don't feel that the process is at all secure. I just got my Real ID and I had to show my passport and several other items to prove my identity and residence, but you can register to vote without showing anything? Iregistered to vote when I renewed my driver's license. Why isn't that enough for you? and yet you apparently voted before that? Things that make you go hmmmmm.............. |
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Post by gotscha on Oct 8, 2024 6:02:15 GMT -6
I encourage ANYONE who is a U.S. citizen to get a passport. That is the ultimate proof of citizenship. Even if you don't expect to ever travel to a foreign country, having a passport is the gold standard of identification.
To get a 'real-id' requires almost the same number of hoops as a passport, so it's kind of nuts that there's no citizenship indicator on the ID itself. That would make things simpler but then I'm convinced that there are many out there that don't want simple because simple is harder to hack. That's why I feel like any non-citizen who fraudulently votes in an election - even if 'just' a local election - should be immediately deported. No 'woe is me' excuses and no more 'but my family is here!' excuses. Put up signs at all polling places warning people of the penalties and then let the chips fall as they may.
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Post by Aesa on Oct 8, 2024 6:15:05 GMT -6
I encourage ANYONE who is a U.S. citizen to get a passport. That is the ultimate proof of citizenship. Even if you don't expect to ever travel to a foreign country, having a passport is the gold standard of identification. To get a 'real-id' requires almost the same number of hoops as a passport, so it's kind of nuts that there's no citizenship indicator on the ID itself. That would make things simpler but then I'm convinced that there are many out there that don't want simple because simple is harder to hack. That's why I feel like any non-citizen who fraudulently votes in an election - even if 'just' a local election - should be immediately deported. No 'woe is me' excuses and no more 'but my family is here!' excuses. Put up signs at all polling places warning people of the penalties and then let the chips fall as they may. Too much common sense. The Dims will fight it tooth and nail. |
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Post by Billy John Davy on Oct 8, 2024 6:26:15 GMT -6
I encourage ANYONE who is a U.S. citizen to get a passport. That is the ultimate proof of citizenship. Even if you don't expect to ever travel to a foreign country, having a passport is the gold standard of identification. To get a 'real-id' requires almost the same number of hoops as a passport, so it's kind of nuts that there's no citizenship indicator on the ID itself. That would make things simpler but then I'm convinced that there are many out there that don't want simple because simple is harder to hack. That's why I feel like any non-citizen who fraudulently votes in an election - even if 'just' a local election - should be immediately deported. No 'woe is me' excuses and no more 'but my family is here!' excuses. Put up signs at all polling places warning people of the penalties and then let the chips fall as they may. Id piggyback your suggestion by recommending the Passport card for those who wouldnt travel internationally. Much easier to carry and valid everywhere. |
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Post by 3 Sport Town on Oct 8, 2024 11:36:46 GMT -6
I encourage ANYONE who is a U.S. citizen to get a passport. That is the ultimate proof of citizenship. Even if you don't expect to ever travel to a foreign country, having a passport is the gold standard of identification. To get a 'real-id' requires almost the same number of hoops as a passport, so it's kind of nuts that there's no citizenship indicator on the ID itself. That would make things simpler but then I'm convinced that there are many out there that don't want simple because simple is harder to hack. That's why I feel like any non-citizen who fraudulently votes in an election - even if 'just' a local election - should be immediately deported. No 'woe is me' excuses and no more 'but my family is here!' excuses. Put up signs at all polling places warning people of the penalties and then let the chips fall as they may. There was a case of British citizen a few years ago. If I remember correctly he was a permanent resident but not yet a citizen, and lived in St. Louis area but I think on the Illinois side. He was asked to register to vote when he got his drivers license, and mistakenly thought he was eligible. He voted and then ended up nearly getting deported. I highly doubt many noncitizens intentionally lie on the registration for, and risk a felony prosecution and deportation to cast their one vote. |
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