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Post by johntchance on Aug 25, 2024 13:12:40 GMT -6
All of which would be paid by the consumer No it is not paid by the consumer, it might be paid by stock investors. This is tax on corporate profits, it is not part of the cost of goods and services. Now a massive increase in tariffs like Trump is proposing would be paid by consumers. If the tax lowers profits they will raise prices to make up the difference
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 13:13:22 GMT -6
I don't disagree. I'm just saying the Democrats even then were running around screeching about how the meltdown was caused by Wall Street greed, and didn't do a single thing to Wall Street. They're not about to punish their financial base. Well true of course. Money runs this country. The amount of money it takes to run for office guarantees that. And it wont change until campaign financing rules change. When have Democrats had a filibuster proof control? When did you ever hear a Republican talking about doing something about greed. Hell, when did you ever hear a Republican doing anything good for the people. Throw them a bone with a tiny tax cut. Then they want to cut everything under the sun and privatize everything so they can be taken advantage of.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 13:16:43 GMT -6
How does she define a "big business?" I know for their minimum corporate tax rate it was companies over $1 billion. So far I have not find the details but this was already in Biden’s proposal, so I guess I am not looking in the right place. I believe in bottom up economics and not trickle down economics. I do create jobs with all the money I spend, even more so with poor or lower middle class people. Big corporations often hoard money. For instance, Amazon has $86 billion in cash and cash equivalents and Apple has $73 billion. Increases the taxes on their profits is going to mean they have less cash, but they are not going to change their fundamental business, and they are not raising prices. Prices are set by the market, supply and demand. I'm a believer in tying wages to inflation. Inflation goes up then wages goes up. That would stop a lot of this price gouging bullshit. They do it now because they have no leash. Capitalism is great, when it's on a leash. Unfettered it's abused and abusive and it's always the poor and middle class that get the abuse.
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Post by Nano on Aug 25, 2024 13:20:18 GMT -6
Well true of course. Money runs this country. The amount of money it takes to run for office guarantees that. And it wont change until campaign financing rules change. When have Democrats had a filibuster proof control? When did you ever hear a Republican talking about doing something about greed. Hell, when did you ever hear a Republican doing anything good for the people. Throw them a bone with a tiny tax cut. Then they want to cut everything under the sun and privatize everything so they can be taken advantage of. The democrats with filibuster proof control would be a legitimate national disaster. They want to expand the SCT and voting territories for the singular purpose of attaining monolithic power. This is the thing most people don't see. Both sides want totalitarianism they just want their version. Both versions suck.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 13:27:35 GMT -6
I would agree with that unfortunately with the Citizens United ruling don’t think anything would change. I am just curious how do you consider politically, Republican or Independent? I assume you are not a Democrat. Are you moderate or conservative? I am a mutt. I am conservative on fiscal and governance issues (i am a federalist) and liberal (not progressive) on social issues. Prior to Trump, i usually voted R. But now I find it hard to find candidates to support because our election system is driven by extremism. I will never vote MAGA or progressive at any level. I loved Reagan, Bush 1 and JFK. Hated Clinton but now see him as our last good president. I like people like Manchin, Sununu, Youngkin, Beshear and Charlie Baker. I think the only way to run a country effectively is to build bi partisan coalitions and compromise. We are letting perfect be the enemy of good. No one will EVER get exactly what they want on every issue. People need to accept this. When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart.
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Post by Nano on Aug 25, 2024 13:36:21 GMT -6
I am a mutt. I am conservative on fiscal and governance issues (i am a federalist) and liberal (not progressive) on social issues. Prior to Trump, i usually voted R. But now I find it hard to find candidates to support because our election system is driven by extremism. I will never vote MAGA or progressive at any level. I loved Reagan, Bush 1 and JFK. Hated Clinton but now see him as our last good president. I like people like Manchin, Sununu, Youngkin, Beshear and Charlie Baker. I think the only way to run a country effectively is to build bi partisan coalitions and compromise. We are letting perfect be the enemy of good. No one will EVER get exactly what they want on every issue. People need to accept this. When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart.You are fucking dumb. Reagan and Tip O'Neill were famous for compromising over a scotch. The Supreme Court has been famously collegial and you assholes want to end that. Leave it the fuck alone. The system works and has made us the richest, most powerful nation in history. You fucking partisan weirdos (both sides for sure) are going to fuck up a good thing.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 13:37:33 GMT -6
The reason the government went from surplus under Clinton to deficit under Bush and beyond is unpaid for tax cuts under Bush. Two large unpaid for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Then more unpaid tax cuts under Trump. While there are places we cut spending most spending is Social Security, Medicare, defense, and interest on the debt, which the American public overwhelmingly do not want cut or cannot be cut. If the government was run like a business you would not just cut your revenues without cutting expenses. Why would you possibly expect that to change under Harris? Just wait until you see her spending proposals. LOL....Republicans are already talking about more tax cuts. That's the only thing they know. There's a reason why the country almost always does better under Democrat control. The inflation reduction action has had a very positive effect on the economy. Republicans voted against it and now tout it in their districts but still whine about government spending. Enough with the tax cuts for the wealthy. Invest in people. Train people for high quality jobs. Reward companies for increasing production and rewarding their people. Stop subsidizing companies like Walmart. Make them pay their people a decent wage so their people don't have to file for Food Stamps. This is why Democrats do better with the economy, they know you have to invest to make money. But not invest in stocks and buybacks. Invest in people. The more people are doing better the more robust the economy is.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 13:41:21 GMT -6
When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart. You are fucking dumb. Reagan and Tip O'Neill were famous for compromising over a scotch. The Supreme Court has been famously collegial and you assholes want to end that. Leave it the fuck alone. The system works and has made us the richest, most powerful nation in history. You fucking partisan weirdos (both sides for sure) are going to fuck up a good thing. There you are. Showing those true colors now. Reagan was a piece of shit and the Supreme court is now a shambles of it's former self. The lowest approval rate in history I believe. The system has worked until the wealthy bastardized it by buying off politicians and Supreme Court justices. Now it's a mockery. You're funny, bitch and moan about how bad both sides are when you clearly support one side of the other. Just save it.
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Post by Nano on Aug 25, 2024 13:44:05 GMT -6
Why would you possibly expect that to change under Harris? Just wait until you see her spending proposals. LOL....Republicans are already talking about more tax cuts. That's the only thing they know. There's a reason why the country almost always does better under Democrat control. The inflation reduction action has had a very positive effect on the economy. Republicans voted against it and now tout it in their districts but still whine about government spending. Enough with the tax cuts for the wealthy. Invest in people. Train people for high quality jobs. Reward companies for increasing production and rewarding their people. Stop subsidizing companies like Walmart. Make them pay their people a decent wage so their people don't have to file for Food Stamps. This is why Democrats do better with the economy, they know you have to invest to make money. But not invest in stocks and buybacks. Invest in people. The more people are doing better the more robust the economy is.I wouldn't cut taxes, but raising them as a recession is looming is world class dumb. This is the problem. The people controlling the debate -- progressives and MAGA -- are fucking retards.
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Post by gotmewrong on Aug 25, 2024 14:01:42 GMT -6
Why would you possibly expect that to change under Harris? Just wait until you see her spending proposals. LOL....Republicans are already talking about more tax cuts. That's the only thing they know. There's a reason why the country almost always does better under Democrat control. The inflation reduction action has had a very positive effect on the economy. Republicans voted against it and now tout it in their districts but still whine about government spending. Enough with the tax cuts for the wealthy. Invest in people. Train people for high quality jobs. Reward companies for increasing production and rewarding their people. Stop subsidizing companies like Walmart. Make them pay their people a decent wage so their people don't have to file for Food Stamps. This is why Democrats do better with the economy, they know you have to invest to make money. But not invest in stocks and buybacks. Invest in people. The more people are doing better the more robust the economy is.LOL Yeah the US has been doing great the past 4 years. Everything is at least 50% more expensive than it was 3 years ago and debt is astronomical. LOL
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 25, 2024 15:15:06 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? Here is a thought. How about forgetting the presonalities and vote for the candidate who's platform will best fit your overall belief system? For example, if you are in favor of higher taxes, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of drag shows in classroom, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of open border, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of defunding the police, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of not holding criminals responsible for bail and in favor of letting them out to commit more crimes, vote for Harris. My most important consideration is fidelity to the constitution and an understanding that such fidelity is essential to maintain all the principles on which the nation was founded. Trump has proven he will completley abandon the document - and has little understanding of it to begin with. Harris has proven that she is openly hostile to the constitution and is nothing less than an enemy of every single principle enshrined in it. A vote of either is a vote of betrayal.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 25, 2024 15:39:18 GMT -6
Trump has proven he will completley abandon the document - and has little understanding of it to begin with. Noting his incorrect position on 2A, what other statements or acts lead you to believe he would "completley abandon the document"
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 25, 2024 15:56:23 GMT -6
Trump has proven he will completley abandon the document - and has little understanding of it to begin with. Noting his incorrect position on 2A, what other statements or acts lead you to believe he would "completley abandon the document" The fact that he already did - to a degree not witnessed since Lincoln.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 25, 2024 15:58:09 GMT -6
Noting his incorrect position on 2A, what other statements or acts lead you to believe he would "completley abandon the document" The fact that he already did - to a degree not witnessed since Lincoln. remind us, oh great one, of these Constitutional lapses. (you dont have to mention any of his horrendous 2A issues)
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Post by momof3 on Aug 25, 2024 16:06:17 GMT -6
I am a mutt. I am conservative on fiscal and governance issues (i am a federalist) and liberal (not progressive) on social issues. Prior to Trump, i usually voted R. But now I find it hard to find candidates to support because our election system is driven by extremism. I will never vote MAGA or progressive at any level. I loved Reagan, Bush 1 and JFK. Hated Clinton but now see him as our last good president. I like people like Manchin, Sununu, Youngkin, Beshear and Charlie Baker. I think the only way to run a country effectively is to build bi partisan coalitions and compromise. We are letting perfect be the enemy of good. No one will EVER get exactly what they want on every issue. People need to accept this. When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart.I have to laugh at what you wrote that I bolded above. You are touting a candidate who never received one primary vote. The people elected Biden to be their candidate, and without any special election, Harris is now the candidate. She would have never gotten elected otherwise. And yet you’re fine with that.
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