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Post by gotmewrong on Aug 25, 2024 16:15:21 GMT -6
When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart. I have to laugh at what you wrote that I bolded above. You are touting a candidate who never received one primary vote. The people elected Biden to be their candidate, and without any special election, Harris is now the candidate. She would have never gotten elected otherwise. And yet you’re fine with that. I have to laugh at everything it writes.
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 25, 2024 17:27:42 GMT -6
The fact that he already did - to a degree not witnessed since Lincoln. remind us, oh great one, of these Constitutional lapses. (you dont have to mention any of his horrendous 2A issues) Needless and unproductive sarcasm duly noted. I don't play that silly game. All I care about is reason and substance. How did Trump abuse the constitution? 1. Prohibited the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridged the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibited the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Removed the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Removed the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprived citizens of due process. 7. Inflicted cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violated the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violated the equal protections clause. We can start with just those and then move to others if the conversation can be maintained at a productive and courteous level.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 20:15:25 GMT -6
LOL....Republicans are already talking about more tax cuts. That's the only thing they know. There's a reason why the country almost always does better under Democrat control. The inflation reduction action has had a very positive effect on the economy. Republicans voted against it and now tout it in their districts but still whine about government spending. Enough with the tax cuts for the wealthy. Invest in people. Train people for high quality jobs. Reward companies for increasing production and rewarding their people. Stop subsidizing companies like Walmart. Make them pay their people a decent wage so their people don't have to file for Food Stamps. This is why Democrats do better with the economy, they know you have to invest to make money. But not invest in stocks and buybacks. Invest in people. The more people are doing better the more robust the economy is. I wouldn't cut taxes, but raising them as a recession is looming is world class dumb. This is the problem. The people controlling the debate -- progressives and MAGA -- are fucking retards. So you would propose doing nothing then? Raising taxes on the greedy tax cheats is the best way to heal the economy. They must be held accountable for their tax dodging ways. They also must pay a living wage. That is essential. I don't know what else can be done.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 20:19:23 GMT -6
LOL....Republicans are already talking about more tax cuts. That's the only thing they know. There's a reason why the country almost always does better under Democrat control. The inflation reduction action has had a very positive effect on the economy. Republicans voted against it and now tout it in their districts but still whine about government spending. Enough with the tax cuts for the wealthy. Invest in people. Train people for high quality jobs. Reward companies for increasing production and rewarding their people. Stop subsidizing companies like Walmart. Make them pay their people a decent wage so their people don't have to file for Food Stamps. This is why Democrats do better with the economy, they know you have to invest to make money. But not invest in stocks and buybacks. Invest in people. The more people are doing better the more robust the economy is. LOL Yeah the US has been doing great the past 4 years. Everything is at least 50% more expensive than it was 3 years ago and debt is astronomical. LOL So you want to blame Biden/Harris for global inflation? You hear how stupid you sound? Things weren't cheap 3 years ago. If you remember there were a lot of empty shelves and a lot of idiots buying pallets full of toilet paper. Gas was cheap during the pandemic when no one was traveling. When Trump took office gas was $2.30 a gallon, when he left office gas was $2.30 a gallon. So tell me, what the hell effect did he have on gas prices.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 20:21:58 GMT -6
Here is a thought. How about forgetting the presonalities and vote for the candidate who's platform will best fit your overall belief system? For example, if you are in favor of higher taxes, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of drag shows in classroom, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of open border, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of defunding the police, vote for Harris. If you are in favor of not holding criminals responsible for bail and in favor of letting them out to commit more crimes, vote for Harris. My most important consideration is fidelity to the constitution and an understanding that such fidelity is essential to maintain all the principles on which the nation was founded. Trump has proven he will completley abandon the document - and has little understanding of it to begin with. Harris has proven that she is openly hostile to the constitution and is nothing less than an enemy of every single principle enshrined in it. A vote of either is a vote of betrayal. Well, you're entitled to your opinion, though it's wrong in my opinion. True enough Trump would use the constitution as toilet paper, but Harris has done nothing to give the impression that she wouldn't uphold the constitution. You're welcome of course to stay home on voting day.
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Post by emerald on Aug 25, 2024 20:24:45 GMT -6
When you can get compromise out of Republicans let me know. Reagan sucked, Bush 1 was borderline okay, George W sucked, Clinton was borderline(he helped pass Nafta and cut some safety programs), Trump was and is a clusterfuck, Biden has done pretty good actually. I despise Manchin and Sinema for their traitorous ways. They should both have to run as Independents in special elections. Anyone that gets in office and then changes affiliation should be kicked out and have a special election for the office. People elected them as Democrats. They would never have gotten elected otherwise. I'm a progressive. I think we should be improving and changing with the times. I'm not against business turning a decent profit but I am against the greed and price gouging going on in our Country and around the world. I do believe a woman should have control of her own body. Not up the states bullshit. It's not the states body. Long winded so I'll stop here. We might never find common ground but I won't call you enemy of the people or poisoning the blood of America. We're still stronger together than apart. I have to laugh at what you wrote that I bolded above. You are touting a candidate who never received one primary vote. The people elected Biden to be their candidate, and without any special election, Harris is now the candidate. She would have never gotten elected otherwise. And yet you’re fine with that. Did she get nominated? Yes. Was that a vote? Yes. Was there any competition? No. That's not the hill you want to die on.
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Post by gotmewrong on Aug 25, 2024 20:47:21 GMT -6
LOL Yeah the US has been doing great the past 4 years. Everything is at least 50% more expensive than it was 3 years ago and debt is astronomical. LOL So you want to blame Biden/Harris for global inflation? You hear how stupid you sound? Things weren't cheap 3 years ago. If you remember there were a lot of empty shelves and a lot of idiots buying pallets full of toilet paper. Gas was cheap during the pandemic when no one was traveling. When Trump took office gas was $2.30 a gallon, when he left office gas was $2.30 a gallon. So tell me, what the hell effect did he have on gas prices.I blame Biden/Harris for US inflation. Lest we forget the unnecessary stimulus checks and the unnecessary Inflation Reduction Act and the trillion dollar "infrastructure" bill? And the Biden economists who claimed printing money doesn't cause inflation and inflation is transitory? They use new economics. John Keynes is an old dead moron.
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Post by gotmewrong on Aug 25, 2024 20:48:39 GMT -6
I have to laugh at what you wrote that I bolded above. You are touting a candidate who never received one primary vote. The people elected Biden to be their candidate, and without any special election, Harris is now the candidate. She would have never gotten elected otherwise. And yet you’re fine with that. Did she get nominated? Yes. Was that a vote? Yes. Was there any competition? No. That's not the hill you want to die on.Is CTard retarded? Yes. Is CTard a loser? Yes. Had CTard ever had a job? No.
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Post by momof3 on Aug 25, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -6
I have to laugh at what you wrote that I bolded above. You are touting a candidate who never received one primary vote. The people elected Biden to be their candidate, and without any special election, Harris is now the candidate. She would have never gotten elected otherwise. And yet you’re fine with that. Did she get nominated? Yes. Was that a vote? Yes. Was there any competition? No. That's not the hill you want to die on.The vote held for her, was it cast by millions of ordinary Americans, the same ones who had voted for Biden? No. Did any American go to a voting booth and cast a vote for her? No.
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Post by johntchance on Aug 25, 2024 22:40:38 GMT -6
I wouldn't cut taxes, but raising them as a recession is looming is world class dumb. This is the problem. The people controlling the debate -- progressives and MAGA -- are fucking retards. So you would propose doing nothing then? Raising taxes on the greedy tax cheats is the best way to heal the economy. They must be held accountable for their tax dodging ways. They also must pay a living wage. That is essential. I don't know what else can be done.So you want even more inflation. Good plan!
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Post by stiffy1957 on Aug 26, 2024 3:25:34 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? Flip a coin.
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Post by stiffy1957 on Aug 26, 2024 3:27:51 GMT -6
;Especially since it is very clear that Trump is going to not allow the DOJ to be run independently which is terrifying in itself. its cute that you think DOJ is independent. Its an executive branch department. You know who runs the executive branch, correct? The idea that any President would allow a DOJ to just do what ever it wants is stupid. From the AG down through all appointed positions, they are staffed by people who will focus on and enforce laws the President deems important. You are correct. and you will see that full force when /if Trump gets in and suddenly all his crimes and court cases go away. But you tink thta will be ok when Trump controls everyday. You will regret your choice.
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Post by stiffy1957 on Aug 26, 2024 3:31:11 GMT -6
I would agree with that unfortunately with the Citizens United ruling don’t think anything would change. I am just curious how do you consider politically, Republican or Independent? I assume you are not a Democrat. Are you moderate or conservative? I am a mutt. I am conservative on fiscal and governance issues (i am a federalist) and liberal (not progressive) on social issues. Prior to Trump, i usually voted R. But now I find it hard to find candidates to support because our election system is driven by extremism. I will never vote MAGA or progressive at any level. I loved Reagan, Bush 1 and JFK. Hated Clinton but now see him as our last good president. I like people like Manchin, Sununu, Youngkin, Beshear and Charlie Baker. I think the only way to run a country effectively is to build bi partisan coalitions and compromise. We are letting perfect be the enemy of good. No one will EVER get exactly what they want on every issue. People need to accept this. Your first mistake is ever thinking RFK Jr is like his dad and uncle. He is far different as is his politics.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 6:04:20 GMT -6
remind us, oh great one, of these Constitutional lapses. (you dont have to mention any of his horrendous 2A issues) Needless and unproductive sarcasm duly noted. I don't play that silly game. All I care about is reason and substance. How did Trump abuse the constitution? 1. Prohibited the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridged the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibited the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Removed the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Removed the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprived citizens of due process. 7. Inflicted cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violated the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violated the equal protections clause. We can start with just those and then move to others if the conversation can be maintained at a productive and courteous level. I was looking for specific instances, like his bump stock ban or his "get the guns first" comment (which never went to a policy), but I wouldnt want to bother your greatness with such trivial tasks as explaining what the fuck you are talking about. We should all just be greatful that you come down from your mountain top perch and enlighted us all.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 26, 2024 6:28:28 GMT -6
Needless and unproductive sarcasm duly noted. I don't play that silly game. All I care about is reason and substance. How did Trump abuse the constitution? 1. Prohibited the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridged the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibited the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Removed the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Removed the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprived citizens of due process. 7. Inflicted cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violated the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violated the equal protections clause. We can start with just those and then move to others if the conversation can be maintained at a productive and courteous level. I was looking for specific instances, like his bump stock ban or his "get the guns first" comment (which never went to a policy), but I wouldnt want to bother your greatness with such trivial tasks as explaining what the fuck you are talking about. We should all just be greatful that you come down from your mountain top perch and enlighted us all. Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they?
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