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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 6:32:29 GMT -6
I was looking for specific instances, like his bump stock ban or his "get the guns first" comment (which never went to a policy), but I wouldnt want to bother your greatness with such trivial tasks as explaining what the fuck you are talking about. We should all just be greatful that you come down from your mountain top perch and enlighted us all. Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they? too be fair, emmy is a single digit IQ meth tweeker living in his moms 1982 single wide meth trailer. Buck is kind of a big deal; he has many leather bound books and his apt smells of rich mahogany
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Post by Nano on Aug 26, 2024 6:50:30 GMT -6
I wouldn't cut taxes, but raising them as a recession is looming is world class dumb. This is the problem. The people controlling the debate -- progressives and MAGA -- are fucking retards. So you would propose doing nothing then? Raising taxes on the greedy tax cheats is the best way to heal the economy. They must be held accountable for their tax dodging ways. They also must pay a living wage. That is essential. I don't know what else can be done.I am all for enforcing the tax code. The only thing i would consider is figuring out a way to tax rich people transfer cash to themselves through "loans" backed by their equities.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 26, 2024 7:06:30 GMT -6
Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they? too be fair, emmy is a single digit IQ meth tweeker living in his moms 1982 single wide meth trailer. Buck is kind of a big deal; he has many leather bound books and his apt smells of rich mahoganyIf you say so - their whines sound like they could be twins!
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Post by momof3 on Aug 26, 2024 7:22:33 GMT -6
remind us, oh great one, of these Constitutional lapses. (you dont have to mention any of his horrendous 2A issues) Needless and unproductive sarcasm duly noted. I don't play that silly game. All I care about is reason and substance. How did Trump abuse the constitution? 1. Prohibited the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridged the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibited the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Removed the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Removed the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprived citizens of due process. 7. Inflicted cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violated the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violated the equal protections clause. We can start with just those and then move to others if the conversation can be maintained at a productive and courteous level. I’m just going to start with #1. What did Trump do to “prohibit the free exercise of religion”? Be specific.
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 7:34:09 GMT -6
I was looking for specific instances, like his bump stock ban or his "get the guns first" comment (which never went to a policy), but I wouldnt want to bother your greatness with such trivial tasks as explaining what the fuck you are talking about. We should all just be greatful that you come down from your mountain top perch and enlighted us all. Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they? It is most regrettable when partisan hacks on either side of the aisle choose childish and cowardly invective over a fact based discussion. This, of course, is too often the inevitable outcome when assumptions are exposed, feeling are threatened, and dialogue is abandoned. Facts, however, do not suffer from these common human frailties. Fact is, it was Trump who ordered the original 15 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who expanded it to a 30 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who appointed Fauci, for all practical purposes, as the acting president. Fact is, it was Trump who demanded and signed off on 4 trillion dollars in spending which he used to both bride and coerce federal, state, county, and city government autocrats partner with him to: 1. Prohibit the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridge the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibit the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Remove the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Remove the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprive citizens of due process. 7. Inflict cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violate the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violate the equal protections clause. We can, if folks prove willing and able to set aside their emotions and instead engage with cogent thought, unpack any and all of those abuses in more detail. We can then proceed to discuss the other constitutional betrayals.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 7:39:48 GMT -6
Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they? It is most regrettable when partisan hacks on either side of the aisle choose childish and cowardly invective over a fact based discussion. This, of course, is too often the inevitable outcome when assumptions are exposed, feeling are threatened, and dialogue is abandoned. Facts, however, do not suffer from these common human frailties. Fact is, it was Trump who ordered the original 15 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who expanded it to a 30 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who appointed Fauci, for all practical purposes, as the acting president. Fact is, it was Trump who demanded and signed off on 4 trillion dollars in spending which he used to both bride and coerce federal, state, county, and city government autocrats partner with him to: 1. Prohibit the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridge the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibit the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Remove the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Remove the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprive citizens of due process. 7. Inflict cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violate the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violate the equal protections clause. We can, if folks prove willing and able to set aside their emotions and instead engage with cogent thought, unpack any and all of those abuses in more detail. We can then proceed to discuss the other constitutional betrayals. that seems to cover the covid era. not excusing his handling of covid, just explaining your issue seems to revolve around that time frame. Of course, the alternative is a party that violates the Constitution on a whim with no need for a pandemic.
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Post by stargatebabe on Aug 26, 2024 7:40:27 GMT -6
Someone's been feeding the OP a ton of TDS bullshit and he's apparently been gobbling it down! He and emmy make a great couple, don't they? It is most regrettable when partisan hacks on either side of the aisle choose childish and cowardly invective over a fact based discussion. This, of course, is too often the inevitable outcome when assumptions are exposed, feeling are threatened, and dialogue is abandoned. Facts, however, do not suffer from these common human frailties. Fact is, it was Trump who ordered the original 15 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who expanded it to a 30 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who appointed Fauci, for all practical purposes, as the acting president. Fact is, it was Trump who demanded and signed off on 4 trillion dollars in spending which he used to both bride and coerce federal, state, county, and city government autocrats partner with him to: 1. Prohibit the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridge the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibit the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Remove the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Remove the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprive citizens of due process. 7. Inflict cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violate the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violate the equal protections clause. We can, if folks prove willing and able to set aside their emotions and instead engage with cogent thought, unpack any and all of those abuses in more detail. We can then proceed to discuss the other constitutional betrayals. You're still whining about the COVID regulations THAT BIDEN ACTUALLY MADE WORSE BY HIS VACCINE MANDATES? ?? Get a life I don't recall anyone taking Trump to court of his violations and yet Biden was sued and lost case after case after case!
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 7:46:09 GMT -6
Needless and unproductive sarcasm duly noted. I don't play that silly game. All I care about is reason and substance. How did Trump abuse the constitution? 1. Prohibited the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridged the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibited the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Removed the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Removed the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprived citizens of due process. 7. Inflicted cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violated the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violated the equal protections clause. We can start with just those and then move to others if the conversation can be maintained at a productive and courteous level. I’m just going to start with #1. What did Trump do to “prohibit the free exercise of religion”? Be specific. Trump, March of 2023, after adding another 30 days to his original 15 day illegal national shutdown order:" "I'd love to have it open by Easter. Wouldn't it be great to have all of the churches full? You know, the churches aren't allowed essentially to have much of a congregation there." You will note the Trump openly admitted in that statement that he had prohibited the free exercise of religion in his 2 orders. You will further recall that Trump did NOT carry through and permitted churches to be abused by the government for the remainder of his term. Parishioners, pastors, and churches experienced armed surveillance, arrests, fines, imprisonment. Shall we move to point #2?
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Post by gotscha on Aug 26, 2024 7:47:16 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? My suggestion? Vote policies, not person. Do you like the idea of price controls? Taxes on unrealized capital gains? Nine different pronoun choices on job applications? Endless wars? Then Kamala is your candidate. If you can stand a few mean tweets in exchange for lower interest rates and far less government regulation of the economy, then Trump is your candidate. I don't particularly like the man either, but there's no arguing that his policies are head and shoulders above the alternative - unless you're a socialist, that is.
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 7:48:35 GMT -6
It is most regrettable when partisan hacks on either side of the aisle choose childish and cowardly invective over a fact based discussion. This, of course, is too often the inevitable outcome when assumptions are exposed, feeling are threatened, and dialogue is abandoned. Facts, however, do not suffer from these common human frailties. Fact is, it was Trump who ordered the original 15 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who expanded it to a 30 day national shutdown - when he lacked any legal authority to do so. Fact is, it was Trump who appointed Fauci, for all practical purposes, as the acting president. Fact is, it was Trump who demanded and signed off on 4 trillion dollars in spending which he used to both bride and coerce federal, state, county, and city government autocrats partner with him to: 1. Prohibit the free exercise of religion. 2. Abridge the freedom of speech. 3. Prohibit the right of people to peaceably assemble. 4. Remove the right of citizens to seek redress of grievances. 5. Remove the right of citizens to be secure in their property and free from seizure. 6. Deprive citizens of due process. 7. Inflict cruel and unusual punishment. 8. Clearly violate the 9th amendment. 9. And the 10th. 10. Violate the equal protections clause. We can, if folks prove willing and able to set aside their emotions and instead engage with cogent thought, unpack any and all of those abuses in more detail. We can then proceed to discuss the other constitutional betrayals. that seems to cover the covid era. not excusing his handling of covid, just explaining your issue seems to revolve around that time frame. Of course, the alternative is a party that violates the Constitution on a whim with no need for a pandemic. Clarify. Are you attempting to defend Trump's abuses by stating that Biden continued them?
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 7:50:45 GMT -6
Are you attempting to defend Trump's abuses by stating that Biden continued them? not defending; explaining.
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 7:51:18 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? My suggestion? Vote policies, not person. Do you like the idea of price controls? Taxes on unrealized capital gains? Nine different pronoun choices on job applications? Endless wars? Then Kamala is your candidate. If you can stand a few mean tweets in exchange for lower interest rates and far less government regulation of the economy, then Trump is your candidate. I don't particularly like the man either, but there's no arguing that his policies are head and shoulders above the alternative - unless you're a socialist, that is. I vote nothing but policies based on principle. My defining principle is fidelity to the constitution - which is the oath each president actually swears. This principle makes it impossible for any honest person to vote for Trump or Harris.
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Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 7:52:13 GMT -6
Are you attempting to defend Trump's abuses by stating that Biden continued them? not defending; explaining. Then explain why Trump's constitutional abuses were acceptable and Biden's were not.
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Post by gotscha on Aug 26, 2024 7:55:12 GMT -6
My suggestion? Vote policies, not person. Do you like the idea of price controls? Taxes on unrealized capital gains? Nine different pronoun choices on job applications? Endless wars? Then Kamala is your candidate. If you can stand a few mean tweets in exchange for lower interest rates and far less government regulation of the economy, then Trump is your candidate. I don't particularly like the man either, but there's no arguing that his policies are head and shoulders above the alternative - unless you're a socialist, that is. I vote nothing but policies based on principle. My defining principle is fidelity to the constitution - which is the oath each president actually swears. This principle makes it impossible for any honest person to vote for Trump or Harris. Unfortunately due to the binary nature of our political system, NOT voting for Trump IS voting for Harris. Just ask yourself which candidate is going to do more harm to your principles. Sometimes the choice is between 'bad' and 'worse.' Kamala is far, far worse.
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Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 7:57:35 GMT -6
not defending; explaining. Then explain why Trump's constitutional abuses were acceptable and Biden's were not. they werent; but they were confined to a specific time frame when nothing was normal.
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