|
Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 8:04:39 GMT -6
I vote nothing but policies based on principle. My defining principle is fidelity to the constitution - which is the oath each president actually swears. This principle makes it impossible for any honest person to vote for Trump or Harris. Unfortunately due to the binary nature of our political system, NOT voting for Trump IS voting for Harris. Just ask yourself which candidate is going to do more harm to your principles. Sometimes the choice is between 'bad' and 'worse.' Kamala is far, far worse. Fortunately, my principles are not available for sacrifice to the least objectionable of two utterly disqualified candidates.
|
|
|
Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 8:09:27 GMT -6
Then explain why Trump's constitutional abuses were acceptable and Biden's were not. they werent; but they were confined to a specific time frame when nothing was normal. So on one hand you say Trump's rejection of the constitution were not acceptable - yet on the other they should be over-looked due to the circumstances in which they occurred. Interesting argument. Are you aware the exact same argument has been made over the years to defend both Lincoln and Hitler? (In fact, though most don't know this, Hitler used Lincoln as his template to defend constitutional abuses.)
|
|
|
Post by gotscha on Aug 26, 2024 8:10:14 GMT -6
Unfortunately due to the binary nature of our political system, NOT voting for Trump IS voting for Harris. Just ask yourself which candidate is going to do more harm to your principles. Sometimes the choice is between 'bad' and 'worse.' Kamala is far, far worse. Fortunately, my principles are not available for sacrifice to the least objectionable of two utterly disqualified candidates. So you're indirectly voting for Harris. How does that sit with your principles?
|
|
|
Post by Starbuck on Aug 26, 2024 8:14:21 GMT -6
Fortunately, my principles are not available for sacrifice to the least objectionable of two utterly disqualified candidates. So you're indirectly voting for Harris. How does that sit with your principles? As stated in my OP, at this moment I have not decided for whom I can vote. But due to my love of country and fidelity to the constitution, I cannot vote for either Trump or Harris. That sits perfectly with my principles.
|
|
|
Post by longtimereader on Aug 26, 2024 8:15:24 GMT -6
that seems to cover the covid era. not excusing his handling of covid, just explaining your issue seems to revolve around that time frame. Of course, the alternative is a party that violates the Constitution on a whim with no need for a pandemic. Clarify. Are you attempting to defend Trump's abuses by stating that Biden continued them? Hindsight on Covid is getting stupid at this point. I give Trump some slack for Covid since NO ONE KNEW what was going on, so was there an overreaction yes. I bitched high and low about the abuse of power being done on the PD forum, I got all kinds of grief for it. Did Trump stop that overreaction later along with Republican Governors, yes.
|
|
Nano
Junior Member
Posts: 301
|
Post by Nano on Aug 26, 2024 8:18:24 GMT -6
Fortunately, my principles are not available for sacrifice to the least objectionable of two utterly disqualified candidates. So you're indirectly voting for Harris. How does that sit with your principles? This is utter nonsense.
|
|
|
Post by stargatebabe on Aug 26, 2024 8:20:08 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? My suggestion? Vote policies, not person.Do you like the idea of price controls? Taxes on unrealized capital gains? Nine different pronoun choices on job applications? Endless wars? Then Kamala is your candidate. If you can stand a few mean tweets in exchange for lower interest rates and far less government regulation of the economy, then Trump is your candidate. I don't particularly like the man either, but there's no arguing that his policies are head and shoulders above the alternative - unless you're a socialist, that is. That's the way to do it
|
|
|
Post by gotscha on Aug 26, 2024 8:37:38 GMT -6
So you're indirectly voting for Harris. How does that sit with your principles? This is utter nonsense. How so? A third party vote is the definition of ineffective and meaningless since there's a 0% chance a third party candidate can win. If you want to work towards a multi-party system, you're never going to do it without changing the current system from within. Voting won't do that.
|
|
Nano
Junior Member
Posts: 301
|
Post by Nano on Aug 26, 2024 8:53:06 GMT -6
How so? A third party vote is the definition of ineffective and meaningless since there's a 0% chance a third party candidate can win. If you want to work towards a multi-party system, you're never going to do it without changing the current system from within. Voting won't do that. Whatever. Run a good candidate and we will return to voting for a party. You people suck. You turn out this garbage and then bitch when people reject it. I have not been able to cast a meaningful vote for 12 years because of you assholes. Trump, Hillary, Biden or Harris? Give me a fucking break.
|
|
emerald
Banned User
CCard sock
Posts: 2,632
|
Post by emerald on Aug 26, 2024 9:45:03 GMT -6
So you would propose doing nothing then? Raising taxes on the greedy tax cheats is the best way to heal the economy. They must be held accountable for their tax dodging ways. They also must pay a living wage. That is essential. I don't know what else can be done. I am all for enforcing the tax code. The only thing i would consider is figuring out a way to tax rich people transfer cash to themselves through "loans" backed by their equities. I can get behind that.
|
|
emerald
Banned User
CCard sock
Posts: 2,632
|
Post by emerald on Aug 26, 2024 9:57:10 GMT -6
My conscience will not permit me to vote for Trump or Commala (who became the DEM nominee when it was discovered Biden was declared legally brain dead). I was leaning toward Kennedy, as he was the only principled candidate capable of the office. Stein is an oddball freak show. West is honest in his positions - but also wrong on nearly all of them. Oliver is nothing but a reminder of what the Libertarian party has squandered. Now what? My suggestion? Vote policies, not person. Do you like the idea of price controls? Taxes on unrealized capital gains? Nine different pronoun choices on job applications? Endless wars? Then Kamala is your candidate. If you can stand a few mean tweets in exchange for lower interest rates and far less government regulation of the economy, then Trump is your candidate. I don't particularly like the man either, but there's no arguing that his policies are head and shoulders above the alternative - unless you're a socialist, that is. Yes, lets vote policies. Do you think corporations that basically have a monopoly should be allowed to gouge people? Taxes on unrealized gains? If it improves their net worth then it's realized. Also, no deductions. Endless wars? Who start this whackamole middle east bullshit anyway. Hmmm...Does the name Bush ring a bell? Let me know when a Republican solves the middle east aggression. Funny how Trump just comes out and says letting Putin have the Ukraine is what he would do. Yeah, I guess there would be no war right now. If only mean tweets were the problem. Unfortunately giving a 2 trillion dollar tax cut to mostly the wealthy is the gift that keeps on giving. Hugging dictators is really an answer that is best for America. Right? Yeah, let's talk policies.****Community Notes******* 1. Trump never said he would give Ukraine to Putin; its not his to give away. 2. 91% of American tax payers saw their tax rate fall under the 2017 rate adjustment bill. The percentage of taxes paid by the wealthy rose and the percentage and actual dollar amount paid by the poor fell.
|
|
emerald
Banned User
CCard sock
Posts: 2,632
|
Post by emerald on Aug 26, 2024 10:08:01 GMT -6
Clarify. Are you attempting to defend Trump's abuses by stating that Biden continued them? Hindsight on Covid is getting stupid at this point. I give Trump some slack for Covid since NO ONE KNEW what was going on, so was there an overreaction yes. I bitched high and low about the abuse of power being done on the PD forum, I got all kinds of grief for it. Did Trump stop that overreaction later along with Republican Governors, yes. He was warned. Obama had a special counsel just for preparing and dealing with future pandemics. Trump disbanded them. That was only his first mistake. Slow pedaling and politicizing it was even worse. A million Americans died due to Covid and his policy of ignoring and downplaying it. It's not the flu. Not even close. Most feel that number is very much under reported. If anything their was not enough reaction. We are fortunate indeed that covid turned out to be as weak as it was. Fools putting money and rebellion ahead of public safety will be the death of millions upon millions one day. It's only a matter of time. Anti-vaxxers are no better than snake oil salesmen or evangelical con-men shearing their flocks. Take your thoughts and prayers and shove them. How he handled the entire fiasco was a disaster, but then again, that's what he specializes in. Tell me why almost everyone that served under him in his administration(that he appointed) now publicly state he's unfit for office. You Magat's and you silly cult.
|
|
emerald
Banned User
CCard sock
Posts: 2,632
|
Post by emerald on Aug 26, 2024 10:10:32 GMT -6
How so? A third party vote is the definition of ineffective and meaningless since there's a 0% chance a third party candidate can win. If you want to work towards a multi-party system, you're never going to do it without changing the current system from within. Voting won't do that. Whatever. Run a good candidate and we will return to voting for a party. You people suck. You turn out this garbage and then bitch when people reject it. I have not been able to cast a meaningful vote for 12 years because of you assholes. Trump, Hillary, Biden or Harris? Give me a fucking break. Except one party passes legislation to help the middle class and poor while the other party pursues tax cuts for the wealthy and culture wars. Yeah, they're all the same. LOL
|
|
Nano
Junior Member
Posts: 301
|
Post by Nano on Aug 26, 2024 10:15:02 GMT -6
Whatever. Run a good candidate and we will return to voting for a party. You people suck. You turn out this garbage and then bitch when people reject it. I have not been able to cast a meaningful vote for 12 years because of you assholes. Trump, Hillary, Biden or Harris? Give me a fucking break. Except one party passes legislation to help the middle class and poor while the other party pursues tax cuts for the wealthy and culture wars. Yeah, they're all the same. LOLLmfao. Ia that the party that wants 10 year old boys to be able to cut their dicks off with no parental consent? Or the party that wants to give illegals benefits? The party that doesn't want police or border security? Yeah no thanks.
|
|
|
Post by Billy John Davy on Aug 26, 2024 10:15:05 GMT -6
dems pass legislation to make the poor and middle class MORE dependent on the government.
91% of tax paying Americans pay less in taxes under the 2017 adjustment bill
|
|